Vegas shooters, Bundyites who covered cops' bodies with Tea Party flag-

Liberals say no one can know if Bergdahl deserted without a full investigation in a court of law and any speculation is unAmerican. It's a good thing no one found a flag with a snake on it in his possession because that certainly changes everything.

 

Let's looks at the facts.

There are lots of images on the net of OWS waving the Gadsden Flag.



Tea Partiers are supporters of the local police.

Then we look at Occupy Wall Street.....................Occupy Wall Street: “It Is a Revolution”

OWS appears to hate corporates like Wal-Mart, the Tea Party side with free enterprises like Wal-Mart.

As we can clearly the signs point more toward OWS revolutionary types than Tea Partiers.

Ok Gorn, your turn, state your case.

 

"Dealt with harshly?"

That sounds threatening.

I think obama would welcome the sort of chaos in the street you are alluding to so that he would have an excuse to crush white middle class America once and for sll.

But tome is running out for der fuhrer.

If he does not have his Reichstag fire soon he will have to think of some other way to prolong his dictatorship and those expensive free family vacations.

 

Just like the far left, Socialist media will avoid the VA scandal or the atrocious Bergdahl trade?

Don't blame the RW media; the LW media with all of the "Social Justice Warriors" is JUST as bad, if not worse.

Let's be honest, here.

It doesn't matter who they were, there have been many cases of Democrat criminals shooting others. Let's just mourn who we lost, instead of making this a gigantic political issue. People die everyday; it just so happens certain liberals decided to politicize the incident. I will certainly provide links to Democrat/Socialist shooters as soon as I can. These incidents got little or no publicity whatsoever.

 

Nope still Off Topic.
Really? Did I do that or did I along with the OP state that that was their background, me thinks you seem a little defensive on the matter.

 

Yes, lets not stay On Topic, much better to whine about every other so-called "scandel". Meaning highjack the thread when you do not like the message.
Who is blaming the media?
By all means that would be an excellent change of pace, Honest and On Topic.
True. I agree we need to remember those murdered here also. Who is making it into a political issue, because someone mentions the Fact that these two were very Politically driven does not matter what so ever, let's just ignore it because we would not want some Cons to feel that others use their own tactic of bringing up the possible cause of the murders.

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I am sure they are looking into the associates as we speak. They could have arrested over 100 at the Bundy standoff, would you have been happy if they had?

 

There will be no civil war. I'm talking about multiple isolated incidents by these crazy people not a war.

 

Actually, the OP brought up RW media bias. I had to set that straight.

Finally, I am merely saying we need to remember those that we have lost; political motive is without relevance here. They didn't go out and knowingly murder Democrats. They were paranoid and extremist, but that doesn't mean we have to forget who we've lost. For God's sake, I believe one man left behind a wife and children. Show some respect for the victims, instead of pointing the finger at RW media. It's not like Fox News wanted it to happen.

When it comes to Obama, though, he ALLOWED the Bergdahl trade to happen. He ALLOWED the mistreatment of veterans.

This is completely different. I just had to make that point.

 

sounds like they'd been listening to fox news, glenn beck, bombastic right-wing talk radio and such

 

Are these people representative of Conservatives? NO. Implying that they are is scummy. Maybe you didn't imply it(not going back to reread through all the posts) but others certainly did and its all over the media. Its typical escalation of bating B.S. thats been going on since 08. Its turned politics into a game of how fast Liberals can call anyone who doesn't agree with them, racists, bigots and every other iteration of the word and its getting tiresome....mostly because Liberals have nothing else to stand on anymore.

If its defensive, its because I'm sick of it from both sides. Stop turning EVERY shooting into a political agenda. Because thats where it all stems from. Stop highlighting when white people are involved in shooting, while ignoring the utter disparity coming from the minority segment of the population. Its blatant hypocrisy.

 

what about glenn beck?

 

Oh geeze.....

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Glen beck advocates killing cops now?......Are you so far gone you're now claiming this?

 

They were Alex Jones and Breitbart fans. Apparently they posted on those sites a lot.

"A man who gunned down two police officers and a woman Sunday in Las Vegas left behind social media postings that show his concerns over Benghazi, chemtrails, gun control laws, and the government’s treatment of rancher Cliven Bundy.

Neighbors identified Jerad and Amanda Miller as the suspects who shot the officers execution-style as they ate lunch at a pizza restaurant, and then shot a woman outside a Walmart in the same plaza.

The couple’s apartment was searched Monday morning, and authorities in Lafayette, Indiana, confirmed that Las Vegas police had contacted them about the case.

[Updates added below, showing the couple's postings on right-wing websites such as InfoWars and Breitbart.]

Witnesses said the couple announced the shootings were the start of a revolution and draped the victims’ bodies with American Revolution-era Gadsden flags — bearing the slogan “Don’t tread on me” — that have become symbols of the Tea Party movement.

The couple exchanged gunfire with police as they pursued them into the store, but Amanda Miller apparently shot her husband to death before turning the gun on herself.

Jerad Miller’s last Facebook post, made Saturday, hinted at the couple’s plans.

“The dawn of a new day. May all of our coming sacrifices be worth it,” he posted.

A shirtless, crying Jerad Miller posted a video in July 2013 professing his love for Amanda Miller before he began serving a jail term.

“I’m going to miss your smile and your laugh, and the way you can always bring a smile to my face eventually, no matter how crabby of a mood I’m in because of the New World Order and sh-t,” he said. “I just wish we could wake up our families, I wish we could live in a happy-go-lucky world and not have to worry about none of this. I wish we didn’t have to go through this sh-t, but we do.”

Neighbors said Jerad Miller claimed he had gone to the Bundy ranch but was asked to leave, and he made similar claims on YouTube.

“I was out there but they told me and my wife to leave because I am a felon,” Miller commented April 19. “They don’t seem to understand that they are all felons now for intimidating law enforcement with deadly weapons. So don’t tell you that they need people. We sold everything we had to buy supplies and quit our jobs to be there 24/7. How dare you ask for help and shun us dedicated patriots!”

He was quoted on air by KRNV-DT from the Bundy ranch, suggesting the scofflaw rancher’s supporters would respond with violence if it was initiated by federal authorities.

“I feel sorry for any federal agents that want to come in here and try to push us around or anything like that,” Jerad Miller said. “I really don’t want violence toward them, but if they’re going to come bring violence to us, well, if that’s the language they want to speak, we’ll learn it.”

The suspects’ names, along with screen shots of their social media postings, were initially reported by Bob Schooley on Twitter, although he removed them late Monday morning.

Amanda Miller set stricter privacy settings than her husband on her own Facebook page, although publicly available photos show the couple dressed as the Joker and Harley Quinn and visiting various sites along the Las Vegas Strip.

Jerad Amanda Miller Joker cosplay

Another photo shows Amanda Miller holding a pair of books — “Shooter’s Bible” and “Extreme Survival” — she received last Christmas from her grandmother, and she posted a pair of photos of herself firing an AK-47 at a shooting range in December.

Her photos also document the couple’s January move from Indiana to Nevada, where Jerad Miller worked as a street performer. Amanda Miller indicated on Facebook that he had previously rented costumes until his boss was arrested, so the couple made their own costumes and dressed up as the comic book villains to earn tips from tourists.

Jerad Miller outlined his political views, which were largely based on conspiracy theories promoted by Fox News and Alex Jones, in his social media postings, and he posted frequently about firearms and violent revolution.

“We can hope for peace,” he posted June 2. “We must, however, prepare for war. We face an enemy that is not only well funded, but who believe they fight for freedom and justice. Those of us who know the truth and dare speak it, know that the enemy we face are indeed our brothers. Even though they share the same masters as we all do. They fail to recognize the chains that bind them. To stop this oppression, I fear, can only be accomplished with bloodshed.”

Amanda infowars profile

Jerad and Amanda Miller posted comments at InfoWars, Breitbart

A May 28, 2012, post on Jones’ InfoWars site appears to have been made by Jerad Miller, who expressed frustration with his arrest on drug charges and vowed he would rather die than be labeled a criminal.

“I am like a wild coyote,” he wrote, using the user name “Jerad” and a Gadsden flag as his avatar. “You corner me, I will fight to the death.”

He goes on to say he’s “broken hearted” to see other Americans placated by materialism and celebrity worship as they submitted to tyranny.

“So, do I kill cops and make a stand when they come to get me?” the post continues. “I would prefer to die than sit in their jail, when I have done nothing to hurt anyone.”

That post attracted an appreciative comment from another InfoWars user, Amanda, whose profile uses the same maiden name – Woodruff – as Amanda Miller, along with the same birth year and hometown as the shooting suspect.

“Jerad, baby, I love you with all my heart and I’ll stand behind you no matter what,” wrote Amanda, whose avatar appears to be Amanda Miller. “It’s true that its not fair that i can’t have a gun because you live with me. I know its not right that my rights get taken away from me because I live in the same home as you but I would love to see them try and enforce that. My love for you is deep and forever and f-ck what they have to say cause they have no right to do what they say is not right.”

The InfoWars user Amanda also claims the same job — head of the needlepoint department for Hobby Lobby — as Amanda Miller’s Facebook profile.

The InfoWars user Jerad also complains in a 2012 post that he hadn’t seen a dentist in 14 years because he lacks insurance, Medicaid, and a job.

“How the Gov. spends billions of dollars on the war on drugs and all these missles and bombs to kill people,” posted Jerad, who indicates that he was 29 – the same age as Jerad Miller – at the time. “I think about all that money that could do to helping people instead. Creating jobs, creating happy, healthy people. I dont want a hand out. I just need a foundation to stand on. One that wont be pulled out from under me as soon as i step up on it.”

Jerad also shared a short story he’d written about a man who shot police as they marched against protesters, although it was apparently removed from InfoWars but remains visible in a cached version.

“Fiveteen bullets and fiveteen dead cops who failed to uphold their oath,” Jerad wrote in a story posted June 20, 2012. “His trust had been betrayed. Maybe now something will change, he thought. Maybe now they will see the error of their ways.”

The same InfoWars user complained that chemtrails were causing higher levels of respiratory illness, including strep throat and “bronchidus,” and he also warned that “Im sure the floride isnt helping much either.”

A commenter who identified himself as Jerad Miller, using the same “patriot” avatar as the killer’s Facebook profile, commented April 27, 2013, on a Breitbart story on Vice President Joe Biden’s claim that Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) might have won the 2008 election if the economy hadn’t stalled.

Jerad Miller complained in his Breitbart comment that President Barack Obama was exploiting gun violence to strip Americans of their Second Amendment rights.

“Watching the tyrant Obama stand on the graves of children to push this agenda has opened a lot of peoples eyes to how pathetic this push for gun control really is,” Jerad Miller wrote. “The fact that Obama may be baiting the next civil war with this action is disturbing. Millions would die in the event of civil war, many of them, would be unarmed civilians just speaking out against Obama and the (National Defense Authorization Act).”

He shared a viral image son his Facebook page suggesting the U.S. trade five Democratic lawmakers for a U.S. Marine who has been held for two months on weapons charges in Mexico after crossing the border with legally purchased firearms – a suggestion jokingly made last week by Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY).

Jerad Miller also shared a post by David Lory VanDerBeek, the Independent American Party candidate for Nevada governor, that suggested last month’s fatal shooting spree near the University of California, Santa Barbara, was a “false flag” operation enacted by the government to suppress gun rights.

“I see Obama’s Socialist agenda of anti-2nd Amendment, pro-amnesty, Agenda 21 de-industrialization is in trouble,” VanDerBeek posted. “They need to grease the wheels of fear and politicizing a shooting in CA is not going to do it. People become numbed to the politics of shootings.”

That shooting spree, which left seven people dead and another seven wounded, prompted Jerad Miller to share a viral image that described that gunman as a liberal.

“So yet another liberal left-wing wack job goes on yet another fatal mass shooting spree because he couldn’t get laid and that’s the NRA’s fault???” the caption reads. “Jeez, it’s no wonder liberalism’s regarded as a mental disorder.”

Amanda Miller posted frequently about the Bundy ranch standoff on her Google Plus page, where she also claimed she and her husband had moved to Nevada to support VanDerBeek’s gubernatorial campaign.

Jerad Miller reached out to VanDerBeek in the comments of Healthy Eating blog post on genetically modified organisms.

“I will see you soon, I will be in touch,” Jerad Miller posted. “My wife and I are planning to move to Nevada soon to help you in your resistance to tyranny. This is proof you are making an impact. Do not quit, my wife and I under your authority to receive training to protect you at all costs. We will take bullets to protect you to the best of our ability. We love you brother and all those who seek liberty.”

Jerad Amanda Miller honeymoon

Neighbors said the couple spoke frequently about their guns and anti-government views, and they also made racist statements.

“They were handing out white-power propaganda and were talking about doing the next Columbine,” said neighbor Brandon Moore.

The couple did not associate with other residents of their apartment building, but they were well know to others.

“Yap, yap, yap,” said neighbor Sue Hale. “They were always running their mouths.”

Jerad Miller sketched out his interests with the groups and individuals he “liked” on Facebook, including Operation American Spring, Alliance Defending Freedom, the National Rifle Association, The Heritage Foundation, Rand Paul 2016, Three Percenter Nation, and Ron Paul.

Amanda Miller also “liked” Ron Paul, Freedom Works, and Three Percenter Nation, in addition to various paranormal groups, Stop Amnesty, and Drudge Report.

Jerad Miller posted a photo of himself Feb. 8 standing alongside former Sheriff Richard Mack, who promotes the posse comitatus idea that county sheriffs represent the supreme law of the land, during a libertarian sheriff’s debate.

He complained in a July 2013 video that the couple’s “brainwashed” family members would not help them during a dispute with their landlord, but one of those relatives disputed the characterization.

“Amanda was fine before you came around,” said Julie Clites. “Now she sits there doing everything you say because YOU have brainwashed her. Everyone of the grandkids has a future. Amanda married you and immediately lost hers. We won’t help either of you because it is disgusting what you two believe in and stand for.”

Jerad Miller had been arrested numerous times since 2007 on weapons, battery, drug, criminal recklessness, and strangulation battery charges.

Court records show he twice violated the terms of his in-house arrest on drug charges last year. He complained about his punishment in this video, which also addresses surveillance by drones.

Jerad Miller indicated in the video made before his jail term that the couple had bonded over their shared views.

“I know it feels like it’s you and me versus the world – it kind of is – you know, a bunch of zombies out there, a bunch of sheeple, just ignorantly working until their deaths, they don’t even care where their money goes or nothing,” he said. “I’m so glad you’re not like that, baby, I’m so glad that I found you.”

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/06/...-right-wing-conspiracy-nuts-with-a-deathwish/

 

Once again your reading comprehension issue rears its ugly head, I never said they represent the right as a whole, that would be your paranoia telling you things I have not said. If you do not know I said it then do not try posting about it to me but to those you believe did say it I am not the representative for anyone but me, myself and I.
I do not post threads pointing out everytime a white person commits a crime, unlike some here that seem to have a need to do so with minorities. I know there are problems with killers doing such horrible acts, but where we didffer is I know it has little to nothing to do with the color of their skin but with what is going on in their head. Pointing out that blacks have done similar things is fine if you are not dwelling on it since as I said the topic is these two specific killers and yes their background does play a part since that is Why they did what they did, like or not one cannot even dicuss these two without bringing it up since they are the Facts of the case.

 

I do not believe I ever mentioned the RW media or the LW media for that matter.
Opps, there ya go Off Topic again, discussion ended.

 

Why wasn't he in prison still?

 

I don't know. Sure wish he and all of his like minded revolution militia loser buddy's were though.

 

There are at least four links on Drudge to this event. This one is headlined, "Suspects Covered Officers' Bodies with 'Don't Tread on Me' Flags":

http://lasvegas.cbslocal.com/2014/0...re-simply-having-lunch-before-getting-killed/

 

Breitbart links to this story on Fox News:

"Vegas Police Killer Decried Government on YouTube videos"


http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/06/1...oxnews/national+(Internal+-+US+Latest+-+Text)

 

Interesting. These people posted on Breitbart's site often. See my post above.

 

It's not interesting. It's unbiased reporting of the news. So what if they posted on Breitbart? That doesn't implicate Breitbart or anything the organization represents.

 

Relax. Just stating facts. I would certainly have to disagree about Breitbart being unbiased though.These people were big Breitbart/InfoWars fans. Not hard to see how people who believe stuff they see/read on InfoWars would end up doing something like this. So sad that people take Alex Jones and his paranoid schizo garbage seriously.

 

I realize this is, to quote Mr. Carson, a "gift from God" to you people. But don't run too far and fast down the field with this one. There will always be lunatic killers on virtually every section of the political spectrum. You should be glad Breitbart and others aren't running from it, as the OP suggests. It's a sad reality we all have to face.

 

I don't believe in God. Nor would this be a gift from God if I did. That's highly offensive. I'm a good caring person. I don't celebrate people slaughtering police officers that are simply trying to eat lunch. You've got me all wrong. I wish no innocent people were ever murdered. I do think Alex Jones helps bring stuff like this to a head. I agree with the rest of your post.

 

Every movement has it's nuts. These idiots may have supported Bundy, but Bundy and the other libertarians didn't support these idiots. When Bundy realized what racist, careless, idiots these people were, he asked them to leave. Should I assume that Laughner, Lanza, and Holmes represent the left?

Was Joseph Wilcox killed because he was an oppressive liberal who represented big government? Why didn't he join these idiots in their "revolution"? That's right, EVERYBODY recognized that these people are idiots. Quit pretending they represent me.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/cri...-ranch-booted-radical-views-article-1.1822995