Victory day in russia

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  1. Thedimon

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    https://in.reuters.com/article/ww2-...nvincible-weapons-on-red-square-idINKBN1IA1AD

    Look at how absurd this gets - average life expectancy in Russia is 71 years. To be a WWII vet you must be at least 91-92, right? Now, look at pictures of old men behind Netanyahu. Do they look like they are at least 92?
    This parade is the demonstration of concept of what Russia is - a phoney, everything is a fake, from those vets to Russia being a superpower.
     
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    No US/UK troop personnel present! It was a TEAM effort after all!!
     
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    Yeah, those guys might be veterans of the Korean War or Afghanistan, but sure as hell not of WWII.
     
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    Where did Putin claim they served in WWII?

    It seems only you guys are saying that.
     
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    Impressive display especially the SU-30 and SU-35 flyby.
     
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    Oh my gosh, they're wearing make up to look like old men. WOW! What stunt will Putin pull next?

    Well why not, he pays me well.
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    I don't know about the others, but one 92 year old veteran was pushed aside by the guard, and then let through when he realized he knew Vladimir Putin. He said he entered the Soviet army before the age of 17, fought in several battles against the Germans, wounded twice and eventually became a hero and a General. Later he accompanied Putin and Netanyahu to the Alexander garden where they laid a wreath.
     
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    I would think that a super power nation meant you could destroy a significant part of civilization, using your nukes. Can russia do that? Or, are those fake hydrogen bombs? And instead of having thousands, they only have a couple? Really small ones?

    Well, I really don't want russia unleashing its nuke arsenal on america and western europe. And as long as they have the ability to destroy america, I must see them as a superpower in that sense. Whether you do or not.
     
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    No.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superpower
    Superpower is a term used to describe a state with a dominant position, which is characterised by its extensive ability to exert influence or project power on a global scale. This is done through the combined-means of economic, military, technological and cultural strength, as well as diplomatic and soft power influence. Traditionally, superpowers are preeminent among the great powers.
     
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    Britain was dead, the only that saved it was the US entering the war. The main front was in the East, since Hitler wanted a land grab to feed its population. The other European countries were mere nuisances.

    Strange how throughout history there was always a connection and a common respect between Russia and Prussia. They knew that a war between them would be disastrous. Even Catherine the Great was chosen by the German Emperor, and yet by sheer accident and a fluke of circumstances they both ended up in WWI.

    This was something Nicky nor his cousin Willy wanted or expected, and it changed the world. The German ambassador began crying when he realized the blunder he made, and the lives that would be lost. It averaged 20 thousand men a day.
     
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    :)), More like a regional power that tows around its Navy!!
     
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    ha ha. Yes, I have heard people say this, mostly you. ha ha. And of course with an economy the size of spain's economy, they are not an economic super power as China is. But there is much more to being a super power, than one's economy. Nukes changed that. Anyone who has the ability as russia does, to literally destroy most of civilization, driving us back into some kind of stone age, has to be considered a super power, and we should never try to make them paranoid by our actions, nor to threaten them. Our earlier statesmen and leaders understood this quite well and exercised responsibility in dealing with the old USSR. But for some reason, our current leadership wants no part of that and have chosen to be as irresponsible as they can get away with.

    I do expect to see a rise in russia over the decades ahead of us. Economically, given I think their resources are vast and much of it untapped. Discovering a cache of rare minerals would aid in this given china controls much of these resources and in their own self interests, basically rations them out. And these rare earth minerals, metals are in such high demand in our high tech world, and that demand will only increase, not decrease. And we are not getting away from oil or NG anytime soon and russia has untapped and perhaps vast resources of this as well. At some point I do expect them to concentrate on their manufacturing sector, and even if they only produce what they consume, this would greatly help russia out in the economic sphere.

    I want russia to be prosperous for prosperity of their people will minimize war. Not a new idea. And being in trade relations with other nations, will also aid in keeping war and aggression down. And given the hyper globalism, economic sanctions against russia is hurting our allies. So we will have to take another look at how we use sanctions, given globalism means we are blowing off the feet of our allies in our economic warfare against russia.
     
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    Since the only thing that has averted the major war that the neo cons and deep state have been pushing for is Vladimir Putin's leadership, means Russia is a super power politically as well as militarily.

    Culturally Britain and the US are super powers since the English language is currently being used, but like all things that will change. For 2,000 years it was Greek because of its colonizing and the Byzantine Empire. Then it was Italian for about 350 years because of Venice and Genoa's colonizing in the Aegean and Eastern Mediterranean. Then it was French for about 200 years because of its military power.

    The lingua Francas keep getting shorter and shorter, so considering the trend, we will be dead soon. And why not, with all the stupidities we are imposing on the world? Unless China and Russia decide to destroy one another, which is doubtful, I suggest you start learning Chinese or Russian.

    This is Assad's interview in the Greek: 'Kathimerini'


    Asked directly if he was concerned about the possibility of a third world war, Assad replied: “No, for one reason: Because fortunately, you have a wise leadership in Russia, and they know that the agenda of the deep state in the United States is to create a conflict. Since Trump’s campaign, the main agenda was against Russia, create a conflict with Russia, humiliate Russia, undermine Russia, and so on,”the Syrian president said.
     
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    So they had a parade. Why does anybody care?
     
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    Dream on, m'dear. Unlike you, I do study Russian, but it's not because I think it will ever supplant English as the global lingua franca. Not in a million years.

    America does so far seem to be risking its position globally by having a moron like Trump in charge. We'll see how that turns out. I think things will calm down once the moron is gone and English will certainly still be a global language of wider communication. People aren't going to learn complicated Russian when Russia's influence is so small and will continue to be so, nor Chinese with its even steeper learning curve, which is further complicated by its chicken scratch writing system.
     
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    I wouldn't be surprised if all that military showing-off is nothing more than a hollow exercise in chest-beating....much like the North Korean displays. Russia wants the world to fear it and respect it but not many are impressed, as we have all learned from experience that the regime are masters of dishonesty & empty bragging!
     
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    Trump was voted in to get rid of the very people who insist on ousting him. They are the ones who are destroying the country by not accepting his presidency - not Trump.

    Influences do wane, this is what I was trying to point out. Right now Russia and China have very little influence, yet I don't think the influence of the Anglosphere will continue. Germany doesn't have the political clout to replace it. Maybe China will because of economics and its silk roads that it is spreading in the world, but who knows. If Russia does become a bridge between the Far East and Europe as was Putin's original intent before Washington destroyed it, then it could be Russia - although it's doubtful since it is not what Vladimir Putin wants - or the Russian people.

    Vladimir Putin from what he says, seems to be only concerned with those of a similar cultural and religious heritage, otherwise he wouldn't be offering free land to people of Russian and Slavic descent.

    What Russia does have, and is freaking out the US, is 30% of the world's natural resources. But what it lacks is man power - thanks to WWII. Had the US wanted to work with Russia, or had Merkel done so as Putin wanted, then there wouldn't be any problems. Washington fears Russia's natural resources and wealth, and the world's dependency on them. Washington doesn't want to lose its hegemony, and with it the cultural imposition of a one world order similar to the Soviet Union.

    Anyway this is my opinion.
     
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    Russia doesn’t have manpower thanks to WWII? Really?
    Maybe putin needs to fix legal system and improve standards of living? That would help you with the manpower, because now there are a lot of Russians running from that country.

    And what does it mean - work with Russia? Does it mean accept any land grab and violation of other countries sovereignty? Accepting annexations by force? Allowing strong countries to ignore international law while enforcing it on others?
     
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    I do, because Russia is the only thing protecting the world from an evil similar but worse than the Soviet Union. The inhumanity of the one world order is obvious with the indifference it shows towards human life in Yemen, Iraq, Libya, Syria, etc.

    From the curse of the Bolsheviks, Russia has now become the world's saviour. Thank you Vladimir Putin:

     
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    Sure, regional power that installed Trump as a president in the US :D
     
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    Really, you helped do it vis?? All that can be changed in a hurry:))?!?

    Lucky for you asiatics that the Germans gave you the nuke secrets, that's your only saving grace, without them Russia wouldn't exist today:))).
     
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    At least Russia invented this type of military parade imitated by North Korea and China. This Red Square event used to be more important during the Cold War to send a strong message to America by showing off Russia's military might. Nowadays, it's main focus is patriotic expression.
     
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    You always complain that Russia interfered in the elections in the US. Sorry, but that is not possible for regional powers to do that :D
    Germany gave Russia nuclear secrets? Are you joking? So Flerov, Kurchatov, Lange, Nobel Laureats Andrey Sakaharov and Semenov were Germans?
    By the way, it was US that stole uranium and physicists from Germany after the war, and not Soviet Union.
     
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    Please smazhkoh....check out Klaus Fuchs on Wikipedia....the Germans gave you the Abombs so they gave you the nuclear secrets;)., as did, your AK, poison gas, reactive armor:)).

    Im always complaining....get your eyes/ears checked, I might've mentioned it a couple of times.

    Yes, we acquired von Braun, Debus, Strughold, Dornberger, etc:))

    You had Fuchs , Gustav hertz, Hugo Schmeisser:)).
     
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    That you can say that while the US has currently annexed 1/3 of Syria and has a policy of "sanctions 'r us" while threatening war as an opening negotiating position is damn funny.

    Talk about projection ..... :fart:
     
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