Video: Jessica Rose PhD reports on VAERS covid data

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  1. Scott

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    https://odysee.com/Dr.-Joseph-Merco...ca-Rose,-PhD---Covid-jabs-adverse-reactions:0

    According to Jessica Rose PhD the number of adverse reactions and deaths allegedly caused by the covid vaccine recorded in VAERS should be multiplied by forty one in order to get a realistic number due to underreporting. She also says that the website gives you thirty minutes to fill out the report form and if you don't manage to finish in time, it turns off and you have to start over. This causes a lot of people to just give up which contributes to underreporting.
     
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    "the website gives you thirty minutes to fill out the report form and if you don't manage to finish in time, it turns off and you have to start over."

    Just more Govern=mentis intentional "road-blocks" to stifle and further hinder the truth behind their intentional genocide in population reduction.
     
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    Is that all it gives? Sheesh, most people could type a thousand words in that time! Cut and paste from reports made is fast and efficient. As for this time - that's even if the antivaxer claiming this is even telling the truth!

    But VAERS is under-reported. No doubt about that. In fact they explain why:
    https://vaers.hhs.gov/data/dataguide.html
    "VAERS Data Limitations
    Millions of vaccines are given each year to children less than 1 year old in the United States, usually between 2 and 6 months of age. At this age, infants are at greatest risk for certain medical adverse events, including high fevers, seizures, and sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS). Some infants will experience these medical events shortly after a vaccination by coincidence.

    These coincidences make it difficult to know whether a particular adverse event resulted from a medical condition or from a vaccination. Therefore, vaccine providers are encouraged to report all adverse events following vaccination, whether or not they believe the vaccination was the cause.

    When reviewing data from VAERS, please keep in mind the following limitations:
    VAERS is a passive reporting system, meaning that reports about adverse events are not automatically collected, but require a report to be filed to VAERS. VAERS reports can be submitted voluntarily by anyone, including healthcare providers, patients, or family members. Reports vary in quality and completeness. They often lack details and sometimes can have information that contains errors.

    "Underreporting" is one of the main limitations of passive surveillance systems, including VAERS. The term, underreporting refers to the fact that VAERS receives reports for only a small fraction of actual adverse events. The degree of underreporting varies widely. As an example, a great many of the millions of vaccinations administered each year by injection cause soreness, but relatively few of these episodes lead to a VAERS report. Physicians and patients understand that minor side effects of vaccinations often include this kind of discomfort, as well as low fevers. On the other hand, more serious and unexpected medical events are probably more likely to be reported than minor ones, especially when they occur soon after vaccination, even if they may be coincidental and related to other causes.

    A report to VAERS generally does not prove that the identified vaccine(s) caused the adverse event described. It only confirms that the reported event occurred sometime after vaccine was given. No proof that the event was caused by the vaccine is required in order for VAERS to accept the report. VAERS accepts all reports without judging whether the event was caused by the vaccine."
     
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    Not true. It clearly says you have to fill out the form in one sitting. It says it will be erased if you are inactive for twenty minutes and will get a warning after 15 minutes. It does not say there is a thirty minute time limit. There is also an option to download the form and upload it after it is completed. Your source should fact check so as not to post misleading information.

    https://vaers.hhs.gov/reportevent.html
     
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    You’re quoting the text, that I quoted from Scott and then you are attributing your above comment towards me....:disbelief:

    FYI - it’s not more source and I don't tell other posters to fact check their sources.

    And regardless, my comment below the text I quoted from Scott still stands.
     
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    Yet you agreed it with your comment. How does your comment "stand" when the claim was just disproven? It's not more government anything, it's a form that doesn't have a 30 minute setting and can actually be downloaded and filled in at the convenience of the person doing it!
     
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    That's right, I agreed.

    What kind of sadistic "govern=mentis" agency would put any type of a "time limit" on an online reporting form for people that were "vaccine injured and maimed" and are in extremely poor physical and mental health?

    I will tell you.

    It's an out-of-control govern=mentis that seems to be deriving pleasure from inflicting more pain, suffering and further humiliation from those that were injured by their toxic chemicals and other crap contained in their lab created Frankenstein "miracle" vaccines.
     
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    VAERS data does not suggest COVID-19 vaccines killed 150,000 people, as analysis claims
    By Reuters Fact Check
    October 4, 20215:56 AM CDTUpdated 3 years ago

    An article widely shared on social media claims more than 150,000 people have died from COVID-19 vaccines. The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) told Reuters this claim is inaccurate and based on misinterpreted data.
    The article, published on Sept. 22 on a website known for spreading misinformation (here and here), claims scientists concluded through an “in-depth analysis” that “at least 150,000 Americans have been killed”.

    Social media users have also shared the blog and repeated its claims here,
    here, here, here, here).

    The website credits the findings to Jessica Rose, who was a postdoctoral researcher in biology at the Israel Institute of Technology from 2016-20, according to her resume posted online (here). She is now a self-described independent researcher.

    ... https://www.reuters.com/article/fac...lled-150000-people-as-analysis-idUSL1N2R00KP/

    Another thread that should be deleted per this forum's stated policy against misinformation.
     
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    Lol..... misinformation.....:roflol::roflol::roflol:

    Rather just more cries for "CENSORSHIP" because some people are terribly scared of the real TRUTH getting out. Many innocent people were injured after being duped into injecting foreign and toxic lab created, synthesized, mRNA crap into their body.

    Putting vaccines into oneself at the begging of govern=mentis gimps is risky business.

    It's akin to playing Russian roulette except with a syringe.
     
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    I quoted misinformation that you quoted from another member. You should fact check sources especially ones from those who tend to post quite a bit of what appears to be misinformation.

    Your comment below the misinformation that Scott posted really is just a general opinion that supports your disdain for the government. In the case of VAERs, it appears they are providing a platform to report vaccine injuries that is not time limited which is totally at odds with your accusation of using “road blocks” to stifle.
     
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    You should fact check whatever source you got this misinformation from as well. You appear to be suggesting that those who are reporting on VAERs are “vaccine inured and maimed and are in extremely poor physical and mental health”. I can see why you are making that conclusion because it would support that even the limitation of a twenty minute time out is wrong because all those poor maimed people might need to rest twenty minutes or longer between typing each word.

    The majority of people who report on VAERS have side effects like fever, soreness at the injection site, headache, fatigue, chills, nausea, dizziness and muscle aches. They are side effects that would not cause extremely poor physical and mental health. You can fact check that right on the VAERS site.
     
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    VAERS is just a tool for monitoring vaccine safety and like every monitoring system it has some limitations and issues.

    1. It depends on individuals to report adverse events and not everybody is aware that VAERS even exists.

    2. The reports submitted to VAERS are not verified so there can be errors, incomplete information and false claims.

    3. Reporting bias can lead to skewing of the data.

    4. VAERS data alone can’t establish whether the vaccine caused a particular problem. It’s just a starting point if further investigation is required.

    5. Data can be misused by anti-vaccination groups to spread misinformation about vaccine safety.

    VAERS has helped identify several safety signals over the years like rare allergic reactions to the covid-19 vaccine; an increased risk of Guillain-Barre Syndrome related the Johnson & Johnson vaccine; increased risk of Thrombosis with Thrombocyopenia Syndrome with the Johnson & Johnson vaccine; and Shoulder Injury Related to Vaccine Administration which occurs when a vaccine is injected too high in the shoulder causing pain and limited range of motion.

    Each identifcation of safety signals prompted further investigation and monitoring of adverse events. It also translated into further research and health information for the public of how to avoid rare allergic reactions, and shoulder pain.

    It’s an important system. Monitoring adverse events is not an example of stifling by the government and it shouldn’t be used as a vehicle by the anti-vax crews to further promote misinformation and lies.
     
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    https://vaers.hhs.gov/reportevent.html
    (excerpt)
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    Option 1 - Report Online to VAERS
    Submit a VAERS report online. The report must be completed online and submitted in one sitting and cannot be saved and returned to at a later time. Your information will be erased if you are inactive for 20 minutes; you will receive a warning after 15 minutes.

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    That's what it says alright.
    That video was made two and a half years ago. Whether the thirty minute limit was in effect then is yet to be determined.
     
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    And yet you didn't even bother to check it!

    So far: You claimed some crap about 30 minutes and that is disproven! You claimed some crap about under reporting with a ludicrously arbitrary number - 41 (meh!) - that is explained by the vast majority of non reported cases as sore arms etc.

    Have you actually got anything tangible to add to this discussion as well as ignoring inconvenient responses?

    Posts #3 / #8 and #12 - it would be dead peachy if you could answer posts made in your own covered-to-death VAERS thread!
    No it hasn't. What is yet to be determined is whether or not you are able to withdraw your bogus claims!
     
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    Well according to the Wayback Machine which archives webpages, there was no thirty minute limit on filling out the form back in March of 2018 — https://web.archive.org/web/20180318213008/https://vaers.hhs.gov/reportevent.html

    It was the same 20 minute time-out limit or the option to download a PDF. So obviously your source is full of bull excrement.

    So, I too think it’s time to withdraw your bogus claims.
     
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    Really?

    Why are you (and the other one here) going around and constantly telling people on a message board what they should do.

    VAERS dosen't account for all those innocents who were vaccine injured, maimed or killed.

    And you certainly have disdain for all those innocent people who were vaccine injured, maimed or killed and then come here and try to minimize other peoples vaccine injuries.

    :roll:
     
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    https://web.archive.org/web/20230428155331/https://vaers.hhs.gov/reportevent.html

    I checked that page from 2020 to 2024 and it says the same thing.

    I wonder why Doctor Jessica Rose said there was a thirty minute time limit. Maybe that's what actually happened when someone tried to fill out a report even though that's not what the page with the info said. As far as I'm concerned, this is still up in the air.
     
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    Because she is a lying and generally dishonest jackass.
    My god! An absurd statement, you can even download the damn form!
    You answered my question.
    And of course you STILL avoid replying to people on this spammed-to-death-VAERS-batshit meaningless error-strewn thread.
    @Scott Explain why you didn't check this before posting the lies of this woman.
    Confirmed by you! You can download the form and fill it in at your leisure!
    @Scott Explain why you ignored this?
    How about it @Scott - may we have some replies to rebuttal!?
     
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    Here's another one of her videos.

    Dr Jessica Rose: Has VAERS Data Been Manipulated?
    https://odysee.com/@WorldCouncilForHealth:3/Dr-Jessica-Rose-VAERS-Data-Manipulated:b

    Start watching at the 13:05 time mark. She says the same thing. Assuming she's telling the truth, I wonder where she got that info. Maybe she talked to a few people who'd filled out some VAERS report forms.

    All I have is second-hand info. Here's something.

    Scientists uncover Pfizer “Hot Lots” that injured specific population groups at higher rates
    https://www.newstarget.com/2024-10-...er-hot-lots-injured-specific-populations.html
    (excerpt)
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    The analysis categorized the adverse events in three categories: non-serious, serious, and those that involved death. A non-serious adverse event includes mild allergic reactions (e.g., rash, itching), temporary discomfort or pain at the injection site, mild fever or headache, and fatigue or malaise. A non-serious adverse event indicates that unnecessary harm has been done to the individual’s body, but the issue resolved or wasn’t life threatening. In the analysis, a total of 78% of the SAEs were non-serious.

    A serious adverse event includes hospitalization, life-threatening situations, or disabilities. These typically include conditions like anaphylaxis, thrombosis, Guillain-Barre Syndrome, severe respiratory distress, seizures, stroke and myocarditis, to name a few. In the analysis, 20% of all adverse events were serious, and 2% involved the death of the recipient
     
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    Assume she's lying again!
    From a very dishonest source. You could actually have checked it, but chose to dump in into a new thread and continue to ignore every reply!
    Absolute garbage. "Scientists" they say?

    "AUTHOR
    Brenda Baletti, Ph.D.
    [​IMG]
    Brenda Baletti, Ph.D., is a senior reporter for The Defender. She wrote and taught about capitalism and politics for 10 years in the writing program at Duke University. She holds a Ph.D. in human geography from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill and a master's from the University of Texas at Austin."
     
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    You're not in a position to be able to be sure. That's just your intuition,

    I've seen sneaky tricks such as the alleged one above before. About fifteen years ago I was posting on the "Clavius" forum in the conspiracy theory section. They fixed it so I was automatically logged out whenever I entered that section. The moderator told me the problem was at my end. I have more such stories. Sneaky tricks are standard in organizations which don't want the public to see what's really happening.
     
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    The damn website confirms it! The form can be downloaded and filled in offline! Always has been the case.
    Hilarious irrelevant hearsay example and absurdly off topic.
    It is not, has never been and will never be the "Clavius" forum! It is a privately owned website.
    MEH! Was this after you went back for the 3rd time after previously being banned? I have seen hundreds of your repetitive posts on this forum, you were clearly not prevented from posting there!
    A paranoid crock - not a single thing you have ever posted on that forum has been so censored. I know for a fact that for some considerable time (not known now) you freely admitted that you were posting at an Internet cafe! Such places are notoriously suspect for connectivity. Your hearsay in this matter is as irrelevant as any account could ever be.

    The VAERS website has never done what this lying woman claims. Period. I am not surprised that you cannot even concede this ridiculously small point.
     
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    Nothing that furthers my argument is off-topic.

    You're misrepresenting what happened to mislead the viewers. To be able to post in the conspiracy theory section I had to register again with another name.
    https://apollohoax.proboards.com/board/8/conspiracy-theories?page=9

    Some of my old threads have been deleted there so I can't find where I explained what happened. My first username was "david".
    https://apollohoax.proboards.com/thread/1520/torture-issue?page=1

    Notice what it says under my username. Account Disabled

    I came back with the username "Rocky".
    https://apollohoax.proboards.com/thread/1575/all-apollo-data-bogus

    Notice what it says under my username. BANNED

     
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    Proving my point. It doesn't further your argument. It obfuscates, diverts and makes things up. It has as much bearing to VAERS as it does to colonic irrigation.
    A complete fabrication and I'm pretty sure the "viewers" couldn't care less! You were banned firstly as "David" then as "Rocky", then as "Cosmored" and then as "Scott". If you wish to dispute this I have screenshots.
    Hilarious - that is an archive of the old forum and most of it is now gone. Do you think anyone here cares? Do you think a private forum is obliged to accommodate your duplication?
    Uhuh. That's being banned.
    Hilarious. That's a sock-puppet and against their rules. They allowed you back and gave you a ton of leeway (212 posts!). Of course you were banned and yet you came back there once again as Cosmored, then as Scott on the new format forum!

    Absolutely NOTHING to do with VAERS, but you brought it up!
     
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