Your naivety is appalling. The universe is larger than what you view through your Pro Israel-tinted glasses. Cease your hypocrisy. Look in the mirror, see the Israeli atrocities as well as those of the Arab's. Just try to interpret the world objectively. Apply the same principles to your side as you do for the other. Your subjectivity is appalling. As long as your family is touched you are prone to live in a world of unreality, made subject to being swayed in one direction or another. You being there means nothing to prove your point. Alternatively, being present in the region means you are very prone to bias, subjectivity and misguided ideas about the Islamic faith and the Arab people. You have no interest to lie, but you lay victim to subjectivity, brainwashing and misconceptions. All you have observed is a small fragment of a people, not the Islamic faith. I repeat, a single group people, not an entire religion. Because you have encountered a people in a region victim to political pressure, you likely have viewed a somewhat justifiably at least seemingly unpleasant and hateful Arab attitude. You cannot make an assumed generalization based on the singular subjective example of people you have met. You are misguided about your claim about killing infidels. A common assumption and stereotype. A generalization of millions of people across the globe. I would argue that even the infamous bin Laden did not seek the death of all infidels, but rather a violent operation against Western influence, corruption, and pressure with atrocious methods. People who support suicide bombings do not have a leg to stand on. Doctrines are interpreted in different ways. The Quran teaches that Muslims must fight or push to overcome social corruption. Initially, out of context many of the quotes can come off as blatant extremism, but when taken in context within the time of the birth of Islam we see an Arab people riveted by invasion, persecution and oppression. The book states that violence should be used upon invasion and oppression and corruption, that they shouldn't sit in pacifism, which can be interpreted in different ways. For one person, the word infidel or unbeliever may be read as an opponent of justice that is a threat to a people. For another, it may mean an opponent of Islam that must be stopped by force. Some may cherry pick based on a degree of their own contemplated individual senses of right and wrong, and others may interpret the book literally and blindly and turn to a violent Jihad. The reason some Arabs turn to terrorism is due to external pressure and social structure of the culture lived in. The Islam of extremists may seek violent Jihad upon unbelievers for their corruption. The Islam of another may teach them moral lessons and give them direction and purpose in life with the Jihad of a spiritual struggle against the sin of oneself and others. In essence, Islam as well as all religions is a doctrine with a vision to give humans direction and purpose. Some may use different methods to follow their purpose. Some may turn to violence at will to fulfill the will of their Allah, and others may follow justice with care for humanity. You see, the world is composed of individuals. It is made up of people. Diversity is a fact of life. I know of these devilish actions of what you call "Islam." I'd rather you not give me articles, because I know what you will post. You will post Anti-Arab propaganda and links to coverage of extremism and hope that it will make me judge an entire religion and culture for a fragment of its people and not its doctrine, and you will fail.
So what? I am not a 'turn the other cheek' guy... ? That does not make me a bad man in your eyes? I really don't care about your blind spots. Tell that to the Muslim world. Jews/Israelis have not had the opportunity to wear a bomb belt to blow a Pizza Joint. What are you trying to communicate here some kind of faded ideology? Stand erect or forced to stand erect (Ceasar) Using big wordsa to impress me would get you the inverse results... keep your ideological dictums to yourself You have no concept whatsoever of what transpires here... we pretend we are calm, cool and collected when in reality people are concerned about their family members getting involved an hurt. Scatological and not worth my time. Please do not teach papa how to make babies go open a book and learn your first steps in life!
You know, this thread has turned from a video about the desecration of war graves. And now it's evolved to a discussion about Jews vs Muslims Arabs vs Israeli's. I myself am part Jewish, I've been to Israel and a few Arabic speaking countries. And yes I do know what the threat of terrorism is like. When I was in Israel in Mikes bar in Tel Aviv. I was told that it had attacked a couple of months earlier. When I was in Egypt as a boy a month after the Valley of the kings massacre. There were threats against the Nile cruiser I was on. And ultimately most people in the WHOLE world want to be left alone. So should we lessen out integrity and sense of reason by blaming all when only a few are to blame. The world just isn't black and white.
Free yourself from illusion. Please try to read this with an open mind: An old man in Gaza held a placard that reads: “You take my water, burn my olive trees, destroy my house, take my job, steal my land, imprison my father, kill my mother, bombard my country, starve us all, humiliate us all but I am to blame: I shot a rocket back.” [1] The old man’s message provides the proper context for the timelines on the latest episode in the savage punishment of Gaza. They are useful, but any effort to establish a “beginning” cannot help but be misleading. The crimes trace back to 1948, when hundreds of thousands of Palestinians fled in terror or were expelled to Gaza by conquering Israeli forces, who continued to truck them over the border for years after the official cease-fire. The persecution of Gazans took new forms when Israel conquered the Strip in 1967. From recent Israeli scholarship we learn that the goal of the government was to drive the refugees into the Sinai, and if feasible the rest of the population too. Expulsions from Gaza were carried out under the direct orders of General Yeshayahu Gavish, commander of the Southern Command. Expulsions from the West Bank were far more extreme, and Israel resorted to devious means to prevent the return of those expelled, in direct violation of Security Council orders. The reasons were made clear in internal discussion immediately after the war. Golda Meir, later Prime Minister, informed her Labor colleagues that Israel should keep the Gaza Strip while “getting rid of its Arabs.” Defense Minister Dayan and others agreed. Prime Minister Eshkol explained that those expelled cannot be allowed to return because “We cannot increase the Arab population in Israel” — referring to the newly occupied territories, already tacitly considered part of Israel. In accord with this conception, all of Israel’s maps were changed, expunging the Green Line (the internationally recognized borders), though publication was delayed to permit UN Ambassador Abba Eban to attain what he called “favorable impasse” at the General Assembly, by concealing Israel’s intentions. [2] The goals may remain alive, and might be a factor contributing to Egypt’s reluctance to open the border to free passage of people and goods barred by the US-backed Israeli siege. The current upsurge of US-Israeli violence dates to January 2006, when Palestinians voted “the wrong way” in the first free election in the Arab world. Israel and the US reacted at once with harsh punishment of the miscreants, and preparation of a military coup to overthrow the elected government, routine procedure. The punishment was radically intensified in 2007, when the coup attempt was beaten back, and the elected Hamas government established full control over Gaza. The standard version of these events is more anodyne, for example, in the New York Times, November 29: “Hamas entered politics by running in, and winning, elections in the Palestinian territories in 2006. But it was unable to govern in the face of Western opposition and in 2007 took power in the Gaza Strip by force, deepening the political split [with Fatah and the Palestinian Authority].” [3] Ignoring immediate Hamas offers of a truce after the 2006 election, Israel launched attacks that killed 660 Palestinians in 2006, mostly civilians, one-third minors. The escalation of attacks in 2007 killed 816 Palestinians, 360 civilians and 152 minors. The UN reports that 2879 Palestinians were killed by Israeli fire from April 2006 through July 2012, along with several dozen Israelis killed by fire from Gaza. [4] A truce in 2008 was honored by Hamas until Israel broke it in November. Ignoring further truce offers, Israel launched the murderous Cast Lead operation in December. So matters have continued, while the US and Israel also continue to reject Hamas calls for a long-term truce and a political settlement in accord with the international consensus on a two-state settlement that the US has blocked since 1976, when the US vetoed a Security Council resolution to this effect, brought by the major Arab states. In late 2012 the US devoted extensive efforts to block a General Assembly resolution upgrading Palestine’s status to that of a “non-member observer state.” The effort failed, leaving the US in its usual international isolation on November 29, when the resolution passed overwhelmingly on the anniversary of the 1947 General Assembly vote on partition. [5] The reasons Washington frankly offered for its opposition to the resolution were revealing: Palestine might approach the International Criminal Court on Israel’s U.S.-backed crimes, which cannot be permitted judicial review for reasons that are all too obvious. A second concern, the New York Times reported, was that “the Palestinians might use the vote to seek membership in specialized agencies of the United Nations,” which could lead Washington to defund these international organizations, as it cut off financing to UNESCO in 2011 when it dared to admit Palestine as a member. The Master does not tolerate disobedience. [6] Israel had warned that it would “go crazy” (“yishtagea” if the resolution passed, reviving warnings from the 1950s that it would “go crazy” if crossed — not very meaningful then, much more so now. [7] And indeed, hours after the UN vote Israel announced its decision to carry forward settlement in Area E1 that connects the vastly expanded Greater Jerusalem that it annexed illegally to the town of Ma’aleh Adumim, greatly expanded under Clinton after the Oslo Accords, with lands extending virtually to Jericho, effectively bisecting the West Bank if the Area E1 corridor is closed by settlement. [8] Before Obama, US presidents had barred Israel’s efforts to expand its illegal settlements into the E1 region, so it was compelled to resort to stealth measures, like establishing a police station in the zone. Obama has been more supportive of Israeli criminal actions than his predecessors, and it remains to be seen whether he will keep to a tap on the wrist with a wink, as before. Israel and the US insist on “direct negotiations” as the only “path to peace.” They also insist on crucial preconditions. First, the negotiations must be under US leadership, which makes as much sense as asking Iran to mediate Sunni-Shiite conflicts in Iraq. Genuine negotiations would take place under the auspices of some neutral party with a claim to international respect, perhaps Brazil, and would have the US and Israel on one side of the table, and most of the rest of the world on the other. A second precondition, left tacit, is that expansion of Israel’s settlements must be allowed to continue in one or another form (as happened, for example, during the formal 10-month “suspension”, with Washington signaling its disapproval while continuing to provide the required support. The call for “direct negotiations” without substance is an old Israeli tactic to prevent steps towards diplomatic settlement that would impede its expansionist projects. After the 1967 war, the respected diplomat Abba Eban, who was in charge of the effort, was highly praised by Golda Meir and other colleagues in the governing Labor Party for his success at the United Nations in carrying forward “Israel’s peacemaking strategy” of confusion and delay, which came to “take the shape of a consistent foreign policy of deception,” as it is described by Israeli scholar Avi Raz in a detailed review of internal records. [9] At that time the tactics angered US officials, who protested vigorously though to no effect. But much has changed since, particularly since Kissinger took control of policy and the US largely departed from the world on Israel-Palestine. The practice of delay goes back to the earliest Zionist settlement, which sought to “create facts” on the ground while keeping goals obscure. Even the call for a “Jewish commonwealth” was not made officially by the Zionist organization until a May 1942 meeting at the Biltmore hotel in New York. Returning to Gaza, one element of the unremitting torture of its people is Israel’s “buffer zone” within Gaza from which Gazans are barred entry, almost half of Gaza’s limited arable land according to Sara Roy, the leading academic scholar of Gaza. From September 2005, after Israel transferred its settlers to other parts of the occupied territories, to September 2012, Israeli security forces killed 213 Palestinians in the zone, including 154 who were not taking part in hostilities, 17 of them children. [10] From January 2012 to the launching of Israel’s latest killing spree on November 14, Operation Pillar of Defense, one Israeli was reported to have been killed by fire from Gaza while 78 Palestinians were killed by Israel fire. [11] The full story is naturally more complex, and considerably uglier. The first act of Operation Pillar of Defense was to murder Ahmed Jabari. Aluf Benn, editor of Ha’aretz, describes him as Israel’s “subcontractor” and “border guard” in Gaza, who enforced relative quiet in Gaza for over five years. [12] The pretext for the assassination was that during these five years Jabari had been creating a Hamas military force, with missiles from Iran. [13] Plainly, if that is true it was not learned on November 14. A more credible reason was provided by Israeli peace activist Gershon Baskin, who had been involved in direct negotiations with Jabari for years, including plans for the release of the captured Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit. Baskin reports that hours before Jabari was assassinated, “he received the draft of a permanent truce agreement with Israel, which included mechanisms for maintaining the ceasefire in the case of a flare-up between Israel and the factions in the Gaza Strip.” A truce was then in place, called by Hamas on November 12. Israel apparently exploited the truce, Reuters reports, directing attention to the Syrian border in the hope that Hamas leaders would relax their guard and be easier to assassinate. [14] Throughout these years, Gaza has been kept on a level of bare survival, imprisoned by land, sea and air. On the eve of the latest attack, the UN reported that 40 percent of essential drugs and more than half of essential medical items were out of stock. [15] One of the first of the series of hideous photos that were sent from Gaza in November showed a doctor holding the charred corpse of a murdered child. That one had a personal resonance. The doctor is the director and head of surgery at Khan Yunis hospital, which I had visited a few weeks earlier. In writing about the trip I reported his passionate appeal for desperately needed simple drugs and surgical equipment. These are among the crimes of the US-Israeli siege, and Egyptian complicity. The casualty rates from the November episode were about normal: over 160 Palestinian dead, including many children, and 6 Israelis. Among the dead were three journalists. The official Israeli justification was that “The targets are people who have relevance to terror activity.” Reporting the “execution” in the New York Times, David Carr observes that “it has come to this: killing members of the news media can be justified by a phrase as amorphous as ‘relevance to terror activity’.” [16] The massive destruction was all in Gaza. Israel used advanced US military equipment for the slaughter and destruction, and relied on US diplomatic support, including the usual US intervention to block a Security Council call for a cease-fire. [17] With each such exploit Israel’s global image erodes. The images of terror and destruction, and the character of the conflict, leave few remaining shreds of credibility to the self-declared “most moral army in the world,” at least among people with eyes open. The pretexts for the assault were also the usual ones. We can put aside the predictable declarations of the perpetrators in Israel and Washington, but even decent people ask what Israel should do when attacked by a barrage of missiles. It’s a fair question, and there are straightforward answers. One response would be to observe international law, which allows the use of force without Security Council authorization in exactly one case: in self-defense after informing the Security Council of an armed attack, until the Council acts (UN Charter, Article 51). Israel understands that well. That is the course it followed at the outbreak of the June 1967 war, but of course Israel’s appeal went nowhere when it was quickly ascertained that it was Israel that had launched the attack. Israel did not follow this course in November, knowing well what would be revealed in a Security Council debate. Another narrow response would be to agree to a truce, as appeared quite possible before the operation was launched on November 14, as often before. There are more far-reaching responses. By coincidence, one illustration is discussed in the current issue of the journal National Interest. The authors, Asia scholars Raffaello Pantucci and Alexandros Petersen, describe China’s reaction after rioting in western Xinjiang province “in which mobs of Uighurs marched around the city beating hapless Han [Chinese] to death.” Chinese president Hu Jintao quickly flew to the province to take charge, senior leaders in the security establishment were fired, and a wide range of development projects were undertaken to address underlying causes of the unrest. [18] In Gaza too a civilized reaction is possible. The US and Israel could end the merciless unremitting assault and open the borders, and provide for reconstruction — and if it were imaginable, reparations for decades of violence and repression. The cease-fire agreement stated that the measures to implement the end of the siege and the targeting of residents in border areas “shall be dealt with after 24 hours from the start of the ceasefire.” There is no sign of steps in this direction. Nor is there any indication of US-Israeli willingness to rescind their policy of separating Gaza from the West Bank in violation of the Oslo Accords, to end the illegal settlement and development programs in the West Bank designed to undermine a political settlement, or in any other way to abandon the rejectionism of the past decades. Some day, and it must be soon, the world will respond to the plea issued by the distinguished Gazan human rights lawyer Raji Sourani while the bombs were once again raining down on defenseless civilians in Gaza: “We demand justice and accountability. We dream of a normal life, in freedom and dignity.” From: http://www.alternet.org/world/noam-chomsky-what-american-media-wont-tell-you-about-israel
Your refusal to be objective is corrupted and dangerous. There is a reason to why the Arabs oppose and hate Israel. The word hypocrite comes to mind when thinking of supporters of the Israeli government. Tell the Israeli people what they're government does. Apply the same standards to your side as you do to the other. You sir have no concept of what transpires in Palestine, in Gaza in which an oppressed people worry about their family members getting hurt every day. There is nothing idealogical about your subjectivity and misconceptions, subjectivity is a fact of life. We all encounter the world through our own standpoints to a degree, vulnerable to being swayed one way or the other. We just have to try to see outside of those standpoints when it matters, when it is moral and favorable to the good of humanity. I use my "big words" to communicate ideas. And to not use "big words": if you can't step outside of your own personal view, it is a lost cause for me to try to change that with my limitations. If you can't or won't read what I write and interpret what you see with an open mind, I'm done here. If you won't acknowledge your subjectivity and irrationality, you aren't worth my time.
You do not impress me at all... you are akin a proselytizing religious fanatic a MUNAFIKUN first class... Your copy ands paste from the turncoat Chomsky must be giving you a lot of joy, why don't you copy and paste another turncoat by the name of ilan Pappe... You seem to be a lefty... Then again... Walking like a duck and quacking like a duck means its a real duck! German View of Islam This is by far the best explanation of the Muslim terrorist situation I have ever read. His references to past history are accurate and clear. Not long, easy to understand, and well worth the read. The author of this email is said to be Dr. Emanuel Tanay, a well-known and well-respected psychiatrist. A German's View on Islam A man, whose family was German aristocracy prior to World War II, owned a number of large industries and estates. When asked how many German people were true Nazis, the answer he gave can guide our attitude toward fanaticism. 'Very few people were true Nazis,' he said, 'but many enjoyed the return of German pride, and many more were too busy to care. I was one of those who just thought the Nazis were a bunch of fools. So, the majority just sat back and let it all happen. Then, before we knew it, they owned us, and we had lost control, and the end of the world had come. My family lost everything. I ended up in a concentration camp and the Allies destroyed my factories.' We are told again and again by 'experts' and 'talking heads' that Islam is the religion of peace and that the vast majority of Muslims just want to live in peace. Although this unqualified assertion may be true, it is entirely irrelevant. It is meaningless fluff, meant to make us feel better, and meant to somehow diminish the spectre of fanatics rampaging across the globe in the name of Islam. The fact is that the fanatics rule Islam at this moment in history. It is the fanatics who march. It is the fanatics who wage any one of 50 shooting wars worldwide. It is the fanatics who systematically slaughter Christian or tribal groups throughout and are gradually taking over the entire continent in an Islamic wave. It is the fanatics who bomb, behead, murder, or commit honor killings. It is the fanatics who take over mosque after mosque. It is the fanatics who zealously spread the stoning and hanging of rape victims and homosexuals. It is the fanatics who teach their young to kill and to become suicide bombers. The hard, quantifiable fact is that the peaceful majority, the 'silent majority,' is cowed and extraneous. Communist Russia was comprised of Russians who just wanted to live in peace, yet the Russian Communists were responsible for the murder of about 40 million people. The peaceful majority were irrelevant. China's huge population was peaceful as well, but Chinese Communists managed to kill a staggering 70 million people. The average Japanese individual prior to World War II was not a warmongering sadist. Yet, Japan murdered and slaughtered its way across South East Asia in an orgy of killing that included the systematic murder of 12 million Chinese civilians; most killed by sword, shovel, and bayonet. And who can forget Rwanda , which collapsed into butchery. Could it not be said that the majority of Rwandans were 'peace loving'? History lessons are often incredibly simple and blunt, yet for all our powers of reason, we often miss the most basic and uncomplicated of points: Peace-loving Muslims have been made irrelevant by their silence. Peace-loving Muslims will become our enemy if they don't speak up, because like my friend from Germany , they will awaken one day and find that the fanatics own them, and the end of their world will have begun. Peace-loving Germans, Japanese, Chinese, Russians, Rwandans, Serbs, Afghans, Iraqis, Palestinians, Somalis, Nigerians, Algerians, and many others have died because the peaceful majority did not speak up until it was too late. As for us who watch it all unfold, we must pay attention to the only group that counts--the fanatics who threaten our way of life.
I am akin to proselytizing understanding of reality. Assuming all Muslims are extremists is meaningless fluff, meant to make you feel better so you can easily generalize an entire people to put blame on and explain why terrible things happen in the world. As you said, it is the fanatics that do the terrible things, not the doctrine. So we should hate the people of China and the people of Soviet Russia and the people of Palestine and the people of Iraq and support the pummeling of their country because their authority wages war? One could use the same justification for hating Israelis or Americans. Apply the same standards to your side as you do for others. Communist Russia was composed of people who just wanted peace, it was the Soviet government that mongered-war, murdered, and oppressed. You're arguing against your own point. Islam is largely composed of people who just want peace, it is the extremists who engage in suicide bombings, assassinations, extremist Sharia law and terrorism. The average Japanese citizen before WWI did not want war and destruction, it was the powerful who waged the atrocities and forced obedience. The peace loving never die. They may shrink and become secretive, but they do not disappear. The oppressed after all are human beings and are not inevitably prone to brainwashing. War is against the human will. Peace is favorable. The human will for peace could be seen until the very end in Communist Russia and in China and is seen throughout the Muslim people worldwide. There will always be people willing to stand up against authority for what is right. This can be seen by Soviet dissidents Alexander Solzhenitsyn, Andrei Sakharov, and in Leon Trotsky and the Left Opposition of the Bolshevik Party. In Pakistan by people like Eqbal Ahmad. In China: activist Chen Guangcheng, artist Aei Wewei, Shi Tao and many others who remain strong. In the United States: Noam Chomsky, Howard Zinn, Bradley Manning, and many others. And to go back to the Palestine Israel issue, by Palestinian activist Edward Said, Abdallah Abu Rahmah, Sari Nusseibeh and many more. In fact, Palestinian public opinion polls show that the majority of the population favors peace and opposes violent action. Israel is opposed because of its policy. There will always be peace loving dissidence. Mahatma Gandhi once said: "Remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible but in the end, they always fall." Soviet Russia fell and dissidence remained. Chinese communism still operates but the dissidence remains. Islamic fanaticisms still lives but the peaceful remain. The ways of oppression and injustice inevitably fall to give rise to the ways of peace and the human will. Give up and open your eyes. Nothing justifies the hate and judgement of an entire association of people. The fanatics aren't the only ones who matter.
