Virus is biggest in places ...

Even in normal times, many homeless simply refuse to sleep in shelters because the worry about getting sick. For anyone who's ever seen the inside of these shelters, it's very understandable. Basically a floor of 40 bunk beds all jam packed right next to each other. Only takes one sick homeless person to get everyone else sick there.

And catching a disease (even something like the cold or the flu) is much worse for a homeless person than an ordinary person, because of their limited resources and situation. (For example, they might later be forced to sleep outside, something that is more difficult if they're already sick. Or they might have to walk long distances carrying heavy belongings, something that's more difficult if they are sick) When homeless people get sick, it typically lasts longer and is more severe than when an ordinary person gets it.

 

We are seeing large numbers of COVID infections in small towns with workers, like packing plants and growers.

Trump has already requested to be able to import foreign workers at substandard wages and working conditions, who will certainly require these workers to cram together in houding or to live homeless.

But not a word from all the Trumpies, "small town Republicans, and Trump, of course.

The Trump fantasy of good wages and no foreigners is simply not happening, and infact never did happen!

Another Republicans FAIL!

 

Because the virus doesnt spread as easily when ppl are farther apart more often. You know, social distancing?

We have 14 confirmed cases in my county of ~40,000. Peak was 16 a few weeks ago.

 

I Will AGREE With This:

Densely Populated Places are more affected by The TRUMP Virus.

 

Yeah, and stay away from medical workers should you get sick. Keep your germs in your house, even if it means dying. Risking the life of even one person is unacceptable

 

Do we even know that lots of homeless people and illegal aliens are being infected? I can't think why someone's immigration status makes them more vulnerable.

 

Yes we do
Because they are poorer and have more compromised immune systems

 

Are homeless people getting treated? Hospitals will know that they won't be able to pay.

 

Fed pays $1,300 per patient and $39,000 on a ventilator. That is why they now don’t have to test to determine Covid.

 

They test as much as they CAN...given the friggin LACK of tests

 

Massive homelessness, yes. Illegal aliens, obviously not.

If you're talking about some "freedom" to put the life of the rest of us in danger, yes.. I do want to take that "freedom" away.

 

Underlying TB for one

 

Yeah. That's why you shut down a city. If there is a restaurant in a big city that accommodates 200 people, there may be a time when you "open" it and allow a maximum of 20 people at the same time.

In a small city you would have a restaurant of 20 people opening... would you sit only 2 at a time?

I mean, everything is proportional. But that doesn't make the 5000 people in the small city more immune.

I'm assuming you're shut down. But watch it go beyond 16 if you open the city and cram 20 people in a Restaurant.

Keep in mind, it's not only those 20 people that can get infected. It's the servers. The family of those servers, one of which might be your client or your provider, or of somebody in your family who ultimately ends up infecting you.

No city in this country should open until we have either a vaccine or universal testing.

 

Yeah, and the owner can just come in and give money away

 

We're officially shut down per the governor, but its not being enforced or followed except at govt buildings like schools, dmv and city hall due to the afforementioned low infection rate. I think its reasonable to keep schools operating online, ftr, but I think everything else could reopen and take extra precautions like frequent sanitizing of contact surfaces and 6' distancing. If infection rate picks up, the shut down can always be (re) enforced. Its been long enough without a major up curve in less dense areas to determine they are at substantially less risk.

 

So you're saying stores, barber shops, restaurants, movie theaters, ...they're all open in your county?

If infection rates pick up, it's unlikely you'll know it until at least two weeks later. Imagine how many people can get infected in two weeks in a city without stay-at-home enforcement. And even then, only if you happen to have excellent testing availability in your county.

I think your county government is playing with fire....

 

I don't know if all in my county are, but all the ones near where I live are.

Yes, its a risk, but after this much time, its an acceptable one imo compared to the guaranteed result of eventual economic collapse.

Last I checked, the UN was projecting a doubling of the worlds death by starvation statistics as a direct result of the shutdowns across the globe, which eclipses many of the projections of potential death rate by the virus. ...excepting, of course, that mal-nourished people are more susceptible to disease, so maybe they'll die from a combination of starvation and Cvirus as a result of shutting the global economy down to protect them from Cvirus...

 

The one thing you should realize is that opening non-essential businesses is more likely to exacerbate economic collapse than to avoid it.

Well... that's sad but we can't do anything about them right now. We can do something about you though. As well as the people you have contact with. Maybe we can convince you somehow to not take these risks. And hopefully even pass the word around. Not a day goes by in which scientists don't find something new about this virus. Or in which physicians don't gain more experience and learn how to treat it better. So the more days you and those close to you stay safe, the more likely that you won't witness a tragedy. Just take it one day at a time. Every single day treatment improves. If nobody you relate to is infected today, that gives you one day more modern treatment than yesterday's. If you manage the same tomorrow, you'll enjoy yet another day of improvements in those treatments... and so on. With the way research is progressing, one day makes a hell of a difference.