Waiting for Superbatteries They are still a long way from matching the energy density of liquid fue

You don't get it. You're not getting free from fossil fuels. You're just adding loses to the delivery system.

 

Yet

 

Now you're just hallucinating.

 

There's simply nowhere to go to improve. Batteries are storage devices. You still have to actually release the energy somewhere else. It's by definition all extra losses from there. Period.

 

Read my post. I said maybe half of the oil component used for transportation.

You'll have to explain your "delivery system" fear.

 

Wow! I am bowled over by the scientific basis underpinning your statement there / sarcasm

 

And I am bowled over by the fact you don't have a clue how an electrical system works. What kind of idiot has to resort to scientific theory when the simple knowledge of how a light switch works will do?

 

It's really extremely simple. The world requires the same amount of energy to function and maintain the current standard of living. It takes even more for higher standards of living. That's globally as well as any smaller segment of that overall piece. Period. There is no other option no matter what the climate idiots claim.

Nothing provides the energy density of fossil fuels (yes, I know, that's purposely disregarding nuclear who's historically limited by ignorant panic). There's no physical way around it. Yes, 2/3 of the worlds oil consumption is in transportation. If any of that is going to go away you'll need something to replace it with. There's currently no replacement.

And transportation is core to any economy. No matter what some blogging pseudoscience twit writes that he's guessing, that's the rock and a hard place that can't be overcome.

As my late father-in-law used to say, "Wish in one hand, sh*t in the other. See which one fills up first".

 

Renewable energy is transported through cables which is much more efficient than transportation of fossil fuels.

 

Not so long ago you had to charge a simple mobile phone over night. Nowadays a complex smart phone can be charged in an hour

 

The elephant in the room regarding fusion energy is that it would collapse the financial world. Energy, as any commodity, is effectively a currency.

This is similar to alchemy. They did not realise that if it was possible to convert base metals into gold it would make gold worthless (or at least no more valuable than the base metals)

 

That's awesome! And completely irrelevant. Where's all that "renewable" energy going to come from to transport through cables. And where are all those cables that need to go literally to every corner of the country?

 

Again, awesome!! (this time I give it 2 exclamation points because it's so awesome) But the energy that goes into charging a phone is still down stream from actually releasing the energy. And the trip is still very lossy.

 

You think that the fossil fuels you are trying to promote make their own way to the point of use?

 

So your argument against fusion is that it would work too well?

It wouldn't collapse anything. Energy is the bottleneck that is choking the modern world right now. There are all sorts of applications and practices we could expand into if we just had virtually unlimited cheap energy Just for one example it would enable us to finally utilize the real potential of recycling which is now limited by the fact that it requires more expensive energy to recycle most things than to make them new. Think if we could use our landfills as mines, no more open pits in the countryside for coal or iron or copper, no more drilling in pristine waters for oil. The environmentalist's dream and we don't have to turn our thermostats down one degree

 

You should explain why you think energy density is a issue.

Yes, there are various reasons for replacing oil.

Nobody is talking about less transportation.

You seem really angry about something.

 

all we need to do is build a nuclear plant near a rich neighborhood, then the people will know they are safe and reliable, I mean if the rich trust them in their neighborhoods, they gotta be safe

then again, some rich people fear the sound of windmills are giving them cancer

 

True. And, one can not write off the negative attitudes toward nuclear power just to greenies or NIMBYs.

The expense (and who pays), the resulting cost of electricity, the dangers of plant operation, the fact that there is no solution for nuclear waste are all considered substantial, more or less by various groups.

In the Pacific Northwest people paid higher rates for DECADES because of the WPPS nuclear power plant financial disaster - termed WOOPS. And, the required investment in nuclear plants today is enormous, with the promise of high electricity rates to come.

So, I think there is resistance by good old fashioned fiscal conservatives who don't care whose back yard gets nuclearized.

 

It is amazing how batteries have improved at all levels - smart watches to cell phones, fast charging, charges lasting for days.

On the other end, Musk saved western Australians millions with a battery installation that reduces reliance on spot prices for electricity when demand spikes on their grid occur. He used batteries like those now use in cars - just a LOT of them.

Such installations are being built in the USA for that purpose, too.

 

if corps own the nuclear plants, the resulting cost of electricity will be about the same... only if government owns them will it be cheaper

 

I don't find than when reading about the current nuclear projects being built in the UK.

The price estimates for the power to be produced are substantially higher than the current price of electricity there. Those are estimates created by the national planning that has gone into these nuclear facilities.

I doubt that capitalism can improve or worsen the price of electricity from those plants, as the starting point as currently estimated will be well above current prices - at least as I understand it.

These plants are horrendously expensive.

 

Okay. Gasoline contains 46 MJ/kg of energy that can be released to do work (go ahead, look it up).

Now how much energy can be released from a battery? (Hint: it's a trick question.)

That and the fact that gasoline and diesel are quite safe in general (they tend not to ignite when you don't want them to, simply being an idiot acknowledged and excepted). Unlike, say, Lithium ion batteries. Refer to Florida's recent flooding.

No good ones, particularly given modern advances like catalytic convertors and selective catalytic reduction (for diesels- otherwise known by the trade name AdBlue). Actual polluting emissions have been greatly reduced since 1972 (yet another hint: under no rational definition is CO2 a pollutant. Changing the clear definitions of words to promote silliness has become a leftist habit). In fact, it's gotten really difficult to kill yourself by leaving your car running in a closed garage. Not enough CO out of the tailpipe to accumulate significantly in a normally leaky garage. However, I can't recommend you try it at home.

You are:

Yes I am. I've worked in and around the Federal government for a long time. I was there for the ridiculous decision in EPA v. Massachutsetts in 2007. I read the Congressional Research Service report at that time that concluded that the only option for controlling CO2 from a regulatory standpoint is to effectively destroy the economy and, in the words of Charles Dickens, "decrease the surplus population".

And yet political miscreants insist that that's the only hope for civilization. To say the least, taking that kind of advantage of the poor and the weak by powerful elitists pisses me off.

And you continue to push the idea that we can force a transition away from fossil fuels. How's that strategy working in Europe right now since we've charged headlong into pissing Putin off in winter no less?

 

Lols! I rest my case

 

And not a citation to be seen

So so so scientific!

 

Sorry mate but it was South Australia - Hornsdale battery
https://hornsdalepowerreserve.com.au/

In fact one suggestion has been to use ex auto batteries for the next installation as these arrays do not need the same charge as a car does

The. There are Vanadium flow batteries for grid scale
https://arena.gov.au/news/first-grid-scale-flow-battery-to-be-built-in-south-australia/

A few companies are entering the market with flow batteries
https://invinity.com/grid-energy-st...MIzqTR1I3f-wIViSRgCh12hwu4EAAYASAAEgIyx_D_BwE

China of course nicked our idea
https://www.pv-magazine.com/2022/09...ds-largest-redox-flow-battery-system-to-grid/
Vanadium flow redox batteries were first developed by the university of NSW

Mind you - we still win as we have the most Vanadium
https://www.statedevelopment.qld.go...rojects/richmond-julia-creek-vanadium-project