WaPo Reporter Does Exactly What Vivek Predicted in His Terrific Takedown of Lib Media Tactics

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  1. Cybred

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    I agree.
     
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    It isn't and I'm not.
     
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    He is a politician. She was lucky to get an on topic answer at all. He explicitly stated racial discrimination and racism are wrong regardless of who it is against or for. Unless you don't think white supremacy is racist, then that means he isn't a white supremacist. He predicted she would try to spin that as him being unclear on if he is a white supremacist. She then proved him right.
     
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    I didn't say you were racist. I said presuming people are this or that simply because your know their race is racist prejudice.

    It is something we should guard against. It is something actual liberals oppose.
     
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    Obviously, you don't.
     
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    Yes I do.
     
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    Nope.
     
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    It's a free country - he can answer any question any way he wants.

    Sorry but I absolutely agree.
     
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    And he gave a yes: He categorically rejected ANY form of color discrimination, which includes that particular form asked after.

    As in the example:
    Should we eat horse meat?
    I don't think we should eat any meat.
    BUT YOU DIDN"T SAY NO HORSEMEAT REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
     
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    Again, YES is YES.
     
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    when is it convenient not to have an ID?
     
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    Good thing he not only gave a yes he gave a yes and which excluded the entire loathsome category, in all its forms.

    What a terrible person he is, to explicitly denounce all forms of racial bigotry.
     
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    Yes that he can't just give a straight answer to a straight question.
     
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    This comes across as a contest between the two of which is the bigger idiot. Vivek, for not just answering an easy question and being an evasive combative ass for what? To own the libs? To pacify white supremacists? The reporter, for asserting that avoiding/reframing the question means he condones white supremacy. I think Vivek won the idiocy contest here. Just say, "Yes"

    It's sort of like asking somebody "do black lives matter," And they respond "all lives matter." If you don't understand why that's considered a bad response, then you need to learn more about your political opponents. Even if you disagree - knowledge is power. If you still don't get it, the heart of this controversy is that conservatives often think we've moved beyond racism so far that now white people are the disadvantaged ones (lol), while liberals often think equating all forms of prejudice is being used as an excuse to continue racism.
     
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    It was not only a straight answer in that he denied what was requested to be denied, he went even farther than asked and denied all forms of that type of discrimination.
     
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    To point out that the asking of that question, and his actual answer, were not what was going to be picked up by the news and talked about.

    If your political opponents don't understand that ALL includes black, they need to go back to school and learn basic relations between concepts.
     
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    The reason it's considered offensive is because it is dismissive of the asserted problem. It's like being asked to condemn rape, and the person saying, "All crimes are bad, get over it."
     
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    Vivek is asked if he condemns white supremacy. Answer, YES.
     
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    And his answer was a yes. He denied all forms of discrimination based upon color.
    Included in the category "discrimination based upon color" is the sub category of "white supremacy" a form of color discrimination characterized by an (illogical) belief in the superiority of anyone with sufficiently pale skin who is not also possessed of too much denisovans DNA (ie not asian) and the inferiority of anyone not so blessed, along with the idea that the blessed should rule over the not blessed.
     
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    Yes is yes.
     
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    Good thing you got a not only that sort but ALL of it answer which equates to a yes then huh?
     
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    Yes, you'll pick on the LWM, but RWM. the only media who had to fork out $787 million for lies, nooo, they are squeaky clean.

    Got it.
     
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    Nope, its just a way to avoid a direct answer.
     
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    yeah, the only journalists getting sued for $787,000,000 are on the right. And don't give me any crap they are 'journalists', well, I'll believe you when they remove 'news' from 'Fox'.

    As to your claim that Trump denounces racism.

    Trump didn't denounce racism when in....

    • 1973: The US Department of Justice — under the Nixon administration, out of all administrations — sued the Trump Management Corporation for violating the Fair Housing Act. Federal officials found evidence that Trump had refused to rent to Black tenants and lied to Black applicants about whether apartments were available, among other accusations. Trump said the federal government was trying to get him to rent to welfare recipients. In the aftermath, he signed an agreement in 1975 agreeing not to discriminate to renters of color without admitting to previous discrimination.
    • 1980s: Kip Brown, a former employee at Trump’s Castle, accused another one of Trump’s businesses of discrimination. “When Donald and Ivana came to the casino, the bosses would order all the black people off the floor,” Brown said. “It was the eighties, I was a teenager, but I remember it: They put us all in the back.”
    • 1989: In a controversial case that’s been characterized as a modern-day lynching, four Black teenagers and one Latino teenager — the “Central Park Five” — were accused of attacking and raping a jogger in New York City. Trump immediately took charge in the case, running an ad in local papers demanding, “BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY. BRING BACK OUR POLICE!” The teens’ convictions were later vacated after they spent seven to 13 years in prison, and the city paid $41 million in a settlement to the teens. But Trump in October 2016 said he still believes they’re guilty, despite the DNA evidence to the contrary.
    • 1991: A book by John O’Donnell, former president of Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino in Atlantic City, quoted Trump’s criticism of a Black accountant: “Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day. … I think that the guy is lazy. And it’s probably not his fault, because laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that. It’s not anything they can control.” Trump later said in a 1997 Playboy interview that “the stuff O’Donnell wrote about me is probably true.”
    • 1992: The Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino had to pay a $200,000 fine because it transferred Black and women dealers off tables to accommodate a big-time gambler’s prejudices.
    • 1993: In congressional testimony, Trump said that some Native American reservations operating casinos shouldn’t be allowed because “they don’t look like Indians to me.”
    • 2000: In opposition to a casino proposed by the St. Regis Mohawk tribe, which he saw as a financial threat to his casinos in Atlantic City, Trump secretly ran a series of ads suggesting the tribe had a “record of criminal activity [that] is well documented.”
    • 2004: In season two of The Apprentice, Trump fired Kevin Allen, a Black contestant, for being overeducated. “You’re an unbelievably talented guy in terms of education, and you haven’t done anything,” Trump said on the show. “At some point you have to say, ‘That’s enough.’”
    • 2005: Trump publicly pitched what was essentially The Apprentice: White People vs. Black People. He said he “wasn’t particularly happy” with the most recent season of his show, so he was considering “an idea that is fairly controversial — creating a team of successful African Americans versus a team of successful whites. Whether people like that idea or not, it is somewhat reflective of our very vicious world.”
    • 2010: In 2010, there was a huge national controversy over the “Ground Zero Mosque” — a proposal to build a Muslim community center in Lower Manhattan, near the site of the 9/11 attacks. Trump opposed the project, calling it “insensitive,” and offered to buy out one of the investors in the project. On The Late Show With David Letterman, Trump argued, referring to Muslims, “Well, somebody’s blowing us up. Somebody’s blowing up buildings, and somebody’s doing lots of bad stuff.”
    • 2011: Trump played a big role in pushing false rumors that Obama — the country’s first Black president — was not born in the US. He claimed to send investigators to Hawaii to look into Obama’s birth certificate. Obama later released his birth certificate, calling Trump a “carnival barker.” The research has found a strong correlation between birtherism, as the conspiracy theory is called, and racism. But Trump has reportedly continued pushing this conspiracy theory in private.
    • 2011: While Trump suggested that Obama wasn’t born in the US, he also argued that maybe Obama wasn’t a good enough student to have gotten into Columbia or Harvard Law School, and demanded Obama release his university transcripts. Trump claimed, “I heard he was a terrible student. Terrible. How does a bad student go to Columbia and then to Harvard?”
    Source: https://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12270880/donald-trump-racist-racism-history
     
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    yeah, right

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