War on ISIS - A coalition of the unwilling

My criticism is of Islamic doctrine. It can be read in the Hadiths and koran. I dont need to examine Muslims to determine the content of their doctrine.

 

I'm still shaking my head over the president claiming involvement from this "broad coalition". Then MSNBC hosts calling him "the coalition builder in chief" is just too funny.

 

Now you are getting it.

You might find that dozens of those countries actually have Sharia law. They just don't use Sharia for their criminal law code. Seems all Muslims are not the same.

 

So there is no difference between Roman Catholics and Mormon doctrine? You don't need to examine them to determine the content of their doctrine.

Professing that you do not need any actual knowledge to KNOW something is regrettably all to typical of a certain demographic.
If I made such a truly stupid declaration I would be embarrassed beyond measure.

 

Yet the broad coalition is actually solidifying.

Are you surprised by the use of nonsensical labels by any of the self professed news organization (regardless of partisanship) that at times presents themselves like a theatre of the absurd, ?

 

There is no coalition, broad or otherwise.

 

Well and good for them. Good thing folks in the west don't follow Biblical doctrine either. After all that is where Islamic Fundamentalism comes from. That did not to well for around 1300 years or more.

 

so all those arab air attacks in Syria are a mirage?

 

Right, those Arabs are a fearsome bunch. Sheesh...

A coalition of a monarchy or two. Imagine the outrage if Bush would have declared that "abroad coalition".

 

So you actually discount sunni arab nations actually engaging in air combat missions against a sunni extremist group?

Given that its the FIRST TIME IN HISTORY this has happened, I'd say your off handed dismissal is more partisan whinging that an accurate assessment.

 

Love that word play, right?

Yeah, we've been supporting terrorists for decades. So has Saudi Arabia...Turkey...Qatar... Terrorists, mercenaries, and their ilk are all modern versions of the black glove you use and disgard when incovenient. The US uses it so much, however, that they can hardly offer up one narrative that doesn't conflict with another and it's really showing...

 

yes.

This so called coalition is a joke.

 

History is being made.
Obama finally got the Muslim Arab world to recognize that they have to step up to the plate to solve the problem of Muslim Extremism and you think its a joke.

thank you for your display of partisanship trumping facts.

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You do have a legitimate point in that yesterday was the first time (at least I think it was) that a coalition of middle-eastern nations actually ponied up something more than money or lip service for one of these things and put their own military equipment and personnel on the line in a bombing run. So somehow and for once the team of Obama and Kerry did something right in foreign policy. Excellent!

I am not being particularly facetious here, either. I think that when Obama and Kerry do something right then they should receive credit for it.

 

Nope, he only convinced Arab governments while the people of all those nations except Iraq, likely oppose their involvement.

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I havent seen any reports yet of them. Only US Strikes.

 

Read Thomas Paines Pamphlet "Common Sense" some time. Used Biblical doctrine to demonstrate the illigitimacy of the divine rule of monarchs and demonstrate the legitimacy of government of, by and for the people. When written, the bible was the # one seller of published material in the American colonies until "Common Sense" took the # 1 spot.

 

"likely oppose" ? In the absence of information I am not surprised you would fall back specious and spurious opinion.

then I suggest you look.

 

???? I was responding to your specious and spurious opinion that Obama has convinced the "Arab World", with my conflicting opinion. You are just so full of yourself, that you view your opinions as facts.

 

History is being made? Right. We have symbolically entered a "coalition" with a group who financially support our declared enemy here. First time in history.

You watch too much MSNBC

 

The left wing hacks are now saying this shows that Democrats are strong on the issue of fighting Islamic terrorism.

All this ineffective campaign is going to do is strengthen the Muslims recruiting efforts.

 

The Dutch government is currently going to decide to join the 'war' (strikes) on ISIS. And there are ofcourse pro and anti political parties and politicians.

So what you see is a political fight over a strike on terror, so politics is taking political advantage over strikes (happened many times before, and political repeats can cause awakening at the moment you start to realize those political repetitions - Desert Storm, Saddam/Kuweit and the Taliban and on the Balkan in Europe)

Conculsion: Over a century of politics led eventually to terror, and now that terror is leading to political fights in parliaments (political fights can be revolutionary acts, terror can be revolutionary too (provocation, fear) Lots of people believe 9/11 was a false flag, a revolutionary act to cause movement (political and even revolts in Egypt and in Ukraine nearly a civil war) in the worlds population, and it did) 9/11 caused believers and non-bellievers, two opposite groups (opposite thoughts), billions world wide.

And by that awakening. And an awakening of half of the voter population can lead to a political revolution, a political 'fight' (in the minds) between a sleeping half and the awaken half of the population or voter population (awaken means, awaken from another state. You only move into another state, not into a zero or seeing state)

So the strikes on ISIS help to build a road to a political revolution (and there already was the war on drugs, the war on terror, so it builds up in the revolutionary 'tower of Babel')

And a political revolution can eventually lead to war or terror (terror is feeding the political war that can lead to a civil war, or terror (from far right or far left radicals or religious extremists) from the political side that lost that political war)

Politics is clearly not the democratic system to prevent terror and war, it amplifies a revolutionary war and at the same time a war on terror (which can be part of the same revolutionary war, because there is no proof)
And there is no way to stop politics by using politics (because than you take part of the same 'war'), but only by 'withdrawal' from that political (revolutionary) 'war' (and all other tentacles that help that centralized 'war' to accelerate)

 

First thing is that there should be an INFORMATION WAR against morale of Islamic Country. Just take 1000 people that too often watch sci-fi movies, too often masturbate and too often sit on their computers and simply "give them a job". Might be well paid. Divide them into 10-people groups and each day these people should make a simple movie about "USA and the whole world winning with the so called Islamic Country". The movies should be dumb, but that's not the point.
The question is why the f..k these people have the motivation to do, what they do, and why are we afraid of them? Let's put the preasure of the whole world laughing at them and make them cry that the Western Political System counts on creative people, and the Islamic Country hates that kind of a life style. Should be a great way to win and gain few points.

 

My, my. apparently you can't grasp "likely to oppose" as being wholly unsubstantiated and fact free "opinion". Especially when the Arab world is rallying to confront their common enemy ISIS.

You also don't seem to be able to accept FACTS that counter your opinions, nor can does its seem you can differentiate facts from opinion.

Facts are that Obama has brought together more SUNNI arab nations to fight against a sunni extremist group than ever before.

FACT: Five arab nations are conducting air combat missions, and a
FACT: A number of others are still sorting out how they can contribute given their own internal political issues including Egypt and Turkey.
FACT: Discussions are on-going including UN meetings

I have facts to support my position. You have opinion to support your opinion.

 

What would you call "intransigence in the face of facts?"

AS to shifting loyalties and support, that has happened throughout history and frequently in the past 60 years or so, with the US at the forefront.
OTOH, what evidence do you have that Arab nations were directly funding ISIL?

 

Ineffective? the start of a multi-year campaign and right wing hacks have already declared it ineffective?

Of course turnaround is fair play and I agree that this campaign will bring some more extremists crawling out from under their rocks.
But to continue that turnaround, a few thousand more scumbag extremists desirous of a glorious shahid death is sufficient cause to bury one's head in the sand?

surely you are not suggesting doing nothing and short of staging Iraq 3.0 with a few hundred thousand American troops and yet another few trillion, what strategy do right wing hacks propose besides slagging the president with destructive and often unmerited criticism?