Was Jesus the First Republican?

the claim is that Christianity is a fusion of Judaism and Platinism and led to Republican American whereas Democrats can trace their origins to Marx and Stalin

 

100% wrong of course!! you said he did not concern himself then you presented a quote where he said he was equal to the big govt of Caesar. Do you understand?

 

dear, the question is not whether it is opposed to the Trinity but rather was Jesus the first Republican. How will you ever learn anything unless you first learn to focus on the subject rather than randomly switching subjects for no apparent reason.

 

Nope.. The first Republicans were Rome.. They had a republic.. Israel didn't and neither did Galilee or the Decapolis.

 

Republicanism and Classical Liberalism argue for limited Gov't. This does not mean that the RINO's who call themselves Republican follow the ideology of republicanism or that Liberals follow classical liberalism.

The demonstrable fact of the matter is that they don't - actions speak louder than words.

 

Anyone can have an opinion but, is it informed. Both Democrats and Republicans trace their origins to classical liberalism. These principles were used by the founders in creating the principles outlined in the Declaration of Independence and the creation of the Constitution and founding of a constitutional republic.

While the "Golden Rule" is one of those principles - Jesus - nor the fusion of Judaism and Platonism did not invent the golden rule.

Further - the fusion of Judaism and Platonism was the basis for "Logos" ideology which has nothing to do with the origins of Classical Liberalism or the ideology of the founding fathers used in the creation of this nation.

This nation was founded on the basis of secularism. The authority of Gov't was to come from "we the people/consent of the governed" as opposed to "divine right/God" as was the case in the past.

The founders made no secret of the fact that they wanted a society where the authority of Gov't was not based on Christianity or religious belief in general.

Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, and imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch toward uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one-half the world fools and the other half hypocrites. To support roguery and error all over the earth.
-- Thomas Jefferson, Notes on the State of Virginia, 1781-82

Thirteen governments [of the original states] thus founded on the natural authority of the people alone, without a pretence of miracle or mystery, and which are destined to spread over the northern part of that whole quarter of the globe, are a great point gained in favor of the rights of mankind.
-- John Adams, "A Defence of the Constitutions of Government of the United States of America" (1787-88 ) , from Adrienne Koch, ed, The American Enlightenment: The Shaping of the American Experiment and a Free Society (1965) p. 258

As I understand the Christian religion, it was, and is, a revelation. But how has it happened that millions of fables, tales, legends, have been blended with both Jewish and Christian revelation that have made them the most bloody religion that ever existed?-- John Adams, letter to FA Van der Kamp, December 27, 1816

When philosophic reason is clear and certain by intuition or necessary induction, no subsequent revelation supported by prophecies or miracles can supersede it.-- John Adams, from Rufus K Noyes, Views of Religion, quoted from from James A Haught, ed, 2000 Years of Disbelief

 

No idea what you are talking about. The quote from Jesus is not Jesus equating himself with Caesar. Jesus is separating himself from Caesar - which is the point. Jesus did not concern himself with big Gov't.

 

you mean the first republicans were Roman and Greek but I'm asking you, who was the first Republican.

 

You are the one that is all over the map. You tried to claim that the fusion of Platonic philosophy and Judaism had something to do with the origins of Republicanism. This is nonsense. The fusion above had nothing to do with republicanism and everything to do with the nature of Christs divinity.

What does the nature of Christs divinity have to do with the origins of republicanism/ Classical Liberalism.

 

if they both get what is theirs then they are equal!! This established the Church State rivalry that was at the heart of Western Civilization. Now do you get it??

 

Not sure who was the first but, it sure as heck wasn't Jesus.

 

Christ and then Jefferson established individual liberty. Now do you understand?

 

He was certainly the most important. Time begins with Jesus!

 

How do you figure Democrats trace their origins to classical liberalism and not Marx??

 

What are you talking about ? Just because two people get what is theirs - does not make them equal.

The passage is in relation to a question asked of Jesus as to whether it was right to pay taxes.

Jesus said "render unto Caesar what is Ceasars and to God what is Gods". This does not make Jesus equal with Caesar.

 

You still have not made a coherent case that Jesus was a republican - you need to do that prior to claiming he was the most important republican.

 

That's Republican not republican. Jesus created individual liberty and that created Jefferson. Now do you understand?

 

true, Jesus became far superior to Caesar and took over the Roman Empire

 

ummmm ... the term "Classical Liberalism" is not sufficient ? The Democratic Party/ Liberals - trace their origins back to Classical liberalism.

 

Actually the Democratic party was formed in 1792 when supporters of Thomas Jefferson began calling themselves Jeffersonian Republicans to emphasize they were anti-aristocrats.. They adopted the name Democrats during the presidency of Andrew Jackson in the 1830s..

 

You sure don't know any history.

 

Jesus did not create individual liberty. What on earth are you talking about ?

What part of "you making a claim out of the blue - does not make that claim true" - do you not understand ?

How did Jesus "create" individual liberty ?

 

Have you ANY of Jefferson's letters? Jeffersonian Republicans were anti-aristocrats and began calling themselves Democrats in 1830.

 

You keep making these out of the blue claims "Jesus took over the Roman Empire" - without backing those claims up or stating what you mean? How is it that you figure that Jesus took over the Roman Empire ?

One could claim that Christianity eventually took over the Roman Empire by becoming the state religion - a state where the Christian religious leaders had tremendous power.

These Christian leaders however, had no respect for individual liberty and had no respect for the teachings of Jesus in relation to individual liberty.

 

Rome didn't become Christian until 313 AD with the Edict of Milan.. Ten years later it had become the official religion of the Roman Empire.