Washington’s enemy ‘doesn’t exist’

Defeated by what?

To stop these possibilities the West simply needs to put Israel in line with the peace initiative.

LOL Do you wear the tin foil hat all the time or just out doors?

 

Lots of unsubstantiated assumptions here and associated 'what ifs'.

 

Because they aid and condone every act of terrorism perpetrated by Israel and then conduct their own crimes that only heighten the threat to the world.

I'm right wing and I support the Pals, so I couldnt say.

 

Oh, you have a naive view that an isolated Israel will be allowed to exist. You've never heard of a caliphate?

 

And, a lack of any attempt to answer anything on your part.

 

Fearmongering.

 

So, support of Israel equals aggression against Islam by the US in your world?

 

The only fear here at PF is the fear that progressives have to directly answer questions.

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wtf? "Islam"? LOLAGE. Answer = no. Support of Israel equals aggression against Palestinians, Lebanese, Egyptians, and any other country Israel has invaded 1967 onwards, by the US. But outside of Israel you have constant US political meddling, coups, bribery, support for dictators, despots, authoritarian regimes etc etc.

 

You forgot the fear that everyone is against America.

ps. Everyone = anyone who disagrees, although always including Muslims and left wing individuals.

 

Yes, and how is that naive? Support your comment or dont make it.

Sure I've heard of 'a caliphate'. What the hell does that have to do with Israel? Oh great another conspiracy theory.

 

How did that cause the war on terror? Have you actually read UBL's declaration of war against the US?

 

The Hamas charter calls for the destruction of Israel. Are you ignorant of this?

Once Israel is out of the way, what would happen next? A struggle for dominance amongst the Muslim states is a possibility. You need to think beyond a hopelessly naive belief that Israel would be allowed to exist in peace.

 

We have plenty of allies. That's just crazy talk.

 

I dont know. I never said it did. The war on terror was started by the US, not Israel.

Sure. I wish Bush had.

btw did you read any of his other speeches and announcements? Like the ones where he says what to do stop the terrorism? I mean most of his demands were pretty fair, like stop supporting criminals.

 

Really? Like Palau?

You may not have noticed, living in your hermetically sealed America, but fewer and fewer governments want to be associated with your belligerence.

 

Nope. The left's support of the Pals is due to morality.

 

Some said this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655

 

I have absolutely no idea, none at all, why you are aiming this at me.

Clearly you have never read any of my posts before.

 

I agree somewhat.

Granted, I believe the core of this issue is that both Christianity and Islam have underlying desires to conquer the world. Both of these religions have an innate desire to convert everyone, and they both have fire and brimstone consequences for disbelief.

If anything, the world would likely be a better place if both the West and the Islamic World discarded these concepts, so that the undertones of world conquest either disappeared or were at least lessened.

The reason Islam gets a worse reputation is because of how religion is front and center in most of the applicable societies. It's easier to see the world conquering desires up front when religion becomes the focus of a state. With secular states in Christian majority countries, the desires are masked more by economics and "strategic interests."

And with Israel, their self-serving moves are clearly born out of an innate superiority complex. Judaism seems to lean more heavily on the "chosen people" concept than Christianity and Islam.

 

Sure, I can agree with that.

 

The Hamas Charter is an irrelevant 23 year old document.

 

LOL Ok, so you agree and then we have no qualm.

 

This is an interesting point but I dont see why it is of such concern. Increasingly more people realize religion generally is irrational. When comes to the religious most would like a world in which their religion dominates but most wouldn't force it upon others, and this is no different between Islam and Christianity. Both have had different historical development and both have the capacity to excuse the greatest crimes in this regard or to criticize forced conversions etc. Ultimately then, getting back to the fact religion is flawed, we need only attacked the flawed nature of religion to dismiss those who would take the violent route. Attacking a whole religion as these Islamophobes do is quite stupid, not to mention extraordinarily hypocritical when almost all of them are Christians who establish some complete polarity between Islam and their own faith based on nothing but assumption and ignorance.
At the end of the day an atheist can be as immoral as a religious person in this regard in trying to stop people from thinking freely. This is why even those that say they wish to protect our freedom against religious radicalism must be the watched MORE THAN the radicals because they are the ones that get the reins of power to take away everyone's freedom.
I think I made that point better here:
http://www.politicalforum.com/religion/210732-islamophobic-individuals.html