WATCH: Rashida Tlaib Refuses To Condemn Beheadings Of Israeli Babies When Confronted By Media

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  1. vman12

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    You mean like the entire Muslim world that tried to kill all the Jews on day 1 of their founding?

    Your pie in the sky nonsense fails to observe the major point: the Muslims don't want peace. They want Jews and Christians converted fully to Islam, or dead.

    There is no middle ground for you to work with.

    Hamas doesn't care if "civilians" are killed. If they cared, they wouldn't build military installations under hospitals before going on raping, murdering and beheading sprees.
     
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    Guess what? Israelis don’t want peace either, nor do our politicians salivating as their stocks in weapons manufacturers skyrocket.

    Your speaking for all Muslims and what you think they want is ridiculous. They are saying the same things about how all Americans or Israelis want to kill all Muslims, and that would be equally ridiculous.

    I see so much s here, these blanket statements from people here, applying it to human beings who want to live good lives. They want justice for perceived wrongs as much as Israel or America wants justice for perceived wrongs.

    Hamas is not the same as Palestinians, any more than the Joe Biden administration being representative f the point of view of all Americans. Not even close.
     
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    False. Isrealis want peace which is why they have treated Hamas with kid gloves for decades now. They supplied food, water, and electricity to people who hate them in an attempt to socially engineer out the hate.

    Their reward is those same people beheading their children.
     
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    Lol, wow, you are out of your mind. Kid gloves? Hardly.
    2018: 290 Palestinians killed for protesting, including 47 minors. 149 of those 290 were not even protesting, but were killed because Israelis were very reckless in opening up on the Palestinians. Kids gloves my ass. And that is just one year out of decades of oppression.
    Anything less than treating Palestinians as equals to Jews is not treating them with "kids gloves".

    I have nothing against Jews. I have nothing against Palestinians or Muslims. I do have problems with organizations like Hamas or the Israeli government, or the US government, or the Iranian government taking actions that kill civilians. I can understand a few being accidentally killed, but when you drop over 6,000 bombs in a week on a tiny strip of land like Gaza, that is just wrong, no matter how you look at it.
     
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    Really? When was the last time Israel attacked the "Palestinians" for no reason?

    I'm speaking for all the Muslims that have been trying to kill them since Day 1 of Israel's founding.

    People who spend their entire time trying to breach a fence to rape, burn children to death, decapitate and slaughter families aren't "fighting for justice".

    Hamas is the same as the majority of Palestinians. They elected them as their government.

    If they weren't, Hamas wouldn't be able to hide there.
     
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    This so-called "happy ending" applies to the batshit Evangecial and Nationalist Christians too.
    They're into this "born-again thing and say they will be raptured off the planet with their boy Jesus and the ones left on earth get the flood gates of hell opened on them.
    That leaves who they refer to as fake Christians,all Jews and Muslims.
    The left-behinders..lol

    Islam teaches that Jesus Christ will return in the Second Coming with Imam Mahdi to kill the false messiah, whoever that is.
    This puts Muslims in concert with Christians in the end and leaves the Jews waiting for their Messiah.
     
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    The difference is that Islam's happy ending involves the death or conversion of all Jews and Christians at the hands of Muslims.

    Muslims are not in concert with Christians. In Islam, Christ returns to announce he is not the son of God, and to pledge allegiance to Islam.

    You either convert to Islam or die at the hands of Muslims.
     
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    America has a long history of starting unjust wars and propping up brutal dictators, many that are the cause of problems we are dealing with today, especially concerning Iran. Should the American people be held responsible for those actions because they voted for the politicians that caused those actions? Of course not. Neither should Palestinians be held accountable for what Hamas has done.

    Palestinians have the right to be angry. So do Israelis. What neither side have the right to do is slaughter civilians, like Hamas and the IDF are doing now.
     
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    I've known many many muslims, and not ONE of them took that point of view. Can't you see what propaganda BS that is? Just because some radical clerics preach death to "infidels" doesn't mean that is what the religion is about, any more than when the pope said killing Muslims was a path to heaven.
     
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    Of course we're accountable for the people we elect.

    I didn't vote for Biden but I still get to enjoy the ramifications of Bidenomics.

    The only people Palestinians have a right to be angry with are the Muslims of the 1940's that attacked Israel and rejected a peaceful two state solution, and all of their leaders that continue to reject all peace offers.

    Well, that and the Palestinians called Hamas building military facilities under their homes and hospitals.

    Israelis aren't targeting civilians. They're targeting military areas that Hamas builds in civilian areas.

    A military installation built in civilian areas is a valid target. The people breaking international law are those building military targets in civilian areas.
     
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    Oh well if you knew some Muslims that didn't take that view that means Islamic terrorism isn't actually a real thing then.

    One white guy on a corner holding up a KKK sign makes the entire country systemically racist though.
     
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    They've dropped more bombs on that tiny strip of land in a week than we dropped on all of Afghanistan in a year at the height of the war there. Over 6,000 bombs in a week. That is ****ing retarded.
     
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    So, you are the one that believes one of those two examples. I don't believe either one. So, you are drinking one side's kool-aid, while I recognize that both are idiotic propaganda.
     
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    Um, no.

    You clearly didn't get the point of "scope".

    Despite YouTube's best efforts to memory hole all of the "Kill all the Jews" videos, they're still all out there.

    No matter what you do, you can't erase what is said in the Koran and the hadiths.

    You can't erase the fact that there are millions upon millions of Muslims that want to eliminate Jews and Christians.

    Just because you "knew some people" that said they didn't doesn't mean anything.

    The people you knew who said they didn't support Islamic terrorism weren't Syed Farook and Tashfeen Malik by any chance?
     
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    Yes, they've dropped over 6000 bombs in a week on military targets built under and around civilian infrastructure....on purpose. A violation of international law which makes those civilian areas valid targets.

    There are more than 2 million people in Gaza.

    If they were targeting civilians, they could have killed hundreds of thousands of them by now.

    Palestine, on the other hand, launches rockets at Israel so often that the "rocket attack" timer maintained by Israel has never gone over 1 hour.

    The difference is we know that the government of Palestine intentionally attacks civilian targets, and always has.
     
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    Lol, go ahead and stay mired in your hate. We're going through another surge of the idiocy that happened after 9/11, with people despising and attacking muslims just because they are muslim, like they were personally responsible for bringing the towers down. People blinded by hate that allowed bullshit like the Iraq war happen in the name of "justice". I was one that was blinded by hate back then, and was chomping at the bit to get deployed to Iraq. Never again will I be fooled by the propaganda politicians pump out, and tricked into such absurdity. Large portions of humanity are still so blind it would be hilarious if it wasn't so sad.
     
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    Whatever makes you sleep better at night, man. "Oh, oops... we killed a couple hundred civilians with that bomb. Its ok though...we didn't MEAN too... and it's legal, so, no worries, right?". Disgusting.
     
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    Mmmm no. I have no hatred for Muslims. I simply understand it.

    In the same way I understand there is a difference diving with nurse sharks and great whites.

    I'm simply aware that in many, many parts of the world you would be burned alive simply for being a Christian or a Jew.

    I'm simply aware that there is no comparison between the number of Jews and Christians killed by Muslims and Muslims killed by Jews and Christians.

    I'm simply aware that terror attacks targeting civilian populations is a tool of only one religion.

    I'm aware that there is no comparison in the Christian or Jewish world equating to the Islamic call for deaths to non-Muslims.

    I'm aware of the stark contrast in human rights in predominately Christian and Jewish countries to Islamic ones.

    Your mentality reminds me of those stories of people who decided to go prove that the world is good by biking through Afghanistan or Iraq and getting beheaded for simply being a westerner.
     
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    No, it's not disgusting, it's reality.

    You are simply choosing to live in a mental construct utopia where all you have to do is talk to someone and then everyone is getting along and hugging it out at the end.

    I live in reality.

    The only thing that is disgusting is that there is a terror organization that ties children up and burns them alive, and those same people were elected as the government of the people you feel sorry for.

    The only people to blame for a couple hundred civilians getting killed with a bomb in Gaza are the terrorists launching military operations from their houses.
     
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    Where in the Koran does it say that Muslims have free range to kill Christians and Jews if they haven't converted to Islam in the end days?
    Everything else is irreverent what Muslims believe because all the different Christian sects cover everything from only 144,000 will make it, or if you're not born again you're eternally damned to loving your neighbor, be they Muslim, Jew , Hindu etc.
     
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    Lol, I'm well aware the world has its troubles. What those troubles don't do is justify the slaughter of civilians, intentional or through recklessness. All that does is increase the troubles.
    Why do you think the Muslim world is so angry at the West? Hint: it has nothing to do with their religion. Or else the many Muslims here in America would be plotting death and destruction.
     
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    No, you believe in the illusion that has been presented to you. Sorry.
     
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    This is why you don't try to breach a security fence of a foreign country with your 11 year old.

    I wouldn't let any of them within stabbing range either.
     
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    Oh the death of civilians is intentional.

    It's the intent of the government of Palestine to have their civilians get killed.

    That's why they build military targets on and under civilian areas in violation of international law and rules of warfare.

    You can pretend that it's not a religious thing if you want.

    How many religious attacks in the US plotted death and destruction, and then tell me how many of each were inspired by which religions.
     
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    Roger, got it, you despise Muslims.
     
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