We discovered why Kamala lost.

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  1. Bullseye

    Bullseye Well-Known Member

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    Nope. Nice try.
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    yep, sure does, truth hurts doesn't it?
     
  3. Bullseye

    Bullseye Well-Known Member

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    Suit yourself. I don'g GAS.
     
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    perotista Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No popular vote for senators was by design in keeping with the representative republic the framers designed. The people were represented by their state legislatures which they voted for. As the people representatives, the state legislatures decided, voted on who would be that states senators. 17th amendment took a chunk out of the representative republic idea. The House of Representatives was the peoples house which the people voted directly to elect.


    Yes, population determines the number of electoral votes by any state plus 2. But winning a bunch of close states, the seven swing or battle ground states this year inflates the electoral college margins far beyond what the vote total would indicate. JFK beat Nixon by 112,000 votes in 1960, yet just looking at the electoral college 303-219, one would think JFK trounced Nixon. Which wasn’t the case as 1960 was the closest election this country had since 1888. Trump’s win this year was the third closest although the electoral college results doesn’t show that. Keep in mind the republicans lost 2 house seats this year which is a truer indication of the closeness than the electoral college. The house vote is the only other nationwide vote other than the presidency to be tabulated.


    The electoral college determines the winner, but usually isn’t an indication of how close the election really was. I think just looking at the electoral college results without also looking at the popular vote totals and the final results of the House elections gives the republicans a false sense that this election was a rout. It certainly doesn’t indicate that most Americans supported Trump in this election nor does it give an indication of things to come, support wise once he begins governing. Slightly more Americans today have a negative or unfavorable view of Trump than positive or favorable. How he governs will determine whether or not Trump can bolster his support among all Americans or fall back to lacking support among most Americans as he did during his first term.
     
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    If we're being honest about it, Kamala was a DEI hire! She was considered to be black even though she may not really even be half black, and of course a woman. That's all Democrats needed. They just wanted to see a "black" face in the vice-president's office and that's all it took to satisfy them. They brought in a token white guy, Tim Walz, to try to appeal to old-time Democrat white voters but he turned out to be just a clown.
     
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  6. Bullseye

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    Nice try, but totally wrong. The popular vote is done by state to choose the electors that ACTUALLY vote to elect the President. At one point the electors wrestled actually appointed by the state.
     
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    Yes, the state legislatures in the beginning appointed the electors. But that has nothing to do with the actual closeness of this year’s election. It seems to me that republicans, Trump supporters refuse to admit the closeness always citing the electoral college which most of the time isn’t a barometer to the closeness of any election or even a landslide. I think once Trump starts to govern, they’ll find this out. It wasn’t a landslide and it wasn’t a mandate. It was a rejection of the Biden administration way of governing, not paying attention to the issues most Americans wanted them to. It also in my opinion not an endorsement of Trump. Which I’m sure you’ll find this out later. You can have a rejection without an endorsement.
     
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    I know the history - point still is ONLY Electoral College vote has any official connection to electing a President. And a 58-42 victory after twelve years of relentless attacks by the deranged left qualifies as a MANDATE.
     
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    You can call it that, but in reality it wasn't. Given Biden's numbers it should have been, but it wasn't. A real mandate, landslide election is when one candidate wins both the electoral college and popular vote by huge margins, gains 30 or more seats in the house along with 6 or more senate seats. Look at Reagan in 1980 or LBJ in 1964. Trump won the electoral college by a huge margin, but not the popular vote, he lost 2 house seats while gaining 4 senate seats. Treating this election as a mandate will come back to haunt the Trump administration big time. Just wait and see. I’ll give it 2 months before Trump will be down to around the 40% overall job approval just like Biden and just like he was for his entire first term. The problem is presidents and his party who govern like they received a mandate always fails to govern for all of America and governs just for their base. Which in this case is about a third of America? You’ll find this out.
     
  10. Bullseye

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    Just accept facts and laws, and quit whining. EVERY contest know to man has a specific requirement to declare one contestant the winner. Baseball requires more runs to be scored - strike outs, home runs, etc. don't matter just the number of runners crossing the plate, for instance.
     
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    Biden and the Democrats failed. Policies being enacted over the last 4 years are what pushed Trump over the edge of winning.

    It was really damning for her to say that she couldn't think of anything that she would have changed or done differently over the last 4 years.

    What a dummy
     
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    Once again, for possible comprehension - the ONLY NUMBER that matters in a Presidential Election is Electoral College result. 58-42 is overpowering, aka a mandate.
     
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    Where is she contesting a State's electors?
     
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    You left out the "...in effigy..." part
     
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    she could do all that just like Trump did, but she is not a sore loser like Trump was
     
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    LOL, if you say so. But you'll find out as time goes by.
     
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    Republicans can get violent, even saw a Registered Republican shoot at Trump
     
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    Actually. the Constitution says so. If you're expecting a Democratic success during mid-turns - good luck; they're less than two years away and Dems are still whining aimlessly over the last election.
     
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    Fine just sit back and expect a miracle. It's gonna take more than two years to get the Biden-Harris stick off the party. The Dems entire 2024 platform has to be discarded.
     
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    There is a sensible post somewhere in there that might make some sense.
     
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    Let's see how Trump goes. Lol.
     
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    Won't matter unless the Dems build an attractive alternative. Some long-time Dem stalwarts crossed over this time. Now Dems have to find a way to draw them back.
     
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    There's a difference between winning a close election and a mandate.
    I have the time. I suspect it won’t be but a couple of months into Trump’s presidency that his overall approval rating drops down to around 40%, the same as Biden’s had on the day he withdrew. What makes you think Trump’s job approval this time around will be better than it was during his first term?

    https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/approval/donald-trump/approval-rating

    And here’s Biden’s if you want to compare.

    https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/approval/joe-biden/approval-rating

    Which simply means most Americans viewed both presidents to have done a lousy job. The problem in my view is both presidents didn’t govern for all of America, they governed just for their base. Each president’s base makes up roughly a third of all America. Hence come time for reelection, both lost or Trump lost, and Biden’s replacement Harris lost. Do I expect Trump to govern any different than he did during his first term? No. You won’t have to wait two years, a couple of months will do.
     
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    IT WASN'T a "close election. 58%-42% is an ass-kicking. Winning every battleground state is a Mandate.
    Polling results mean nothing. Nor do polling results during the term.
    Just like elections, the only polling that counts is the poll of Elector's taken once every four years.
     
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    My post was actually an admission that I totally BLEW my prediction on who would win the election! I wrote several times that Democrats are so regimented, disciplined, and committed to their 'woke' and welfare dogmas that they could nominate a "two-headed dog" and still win in a landslide! :clapping:

    Instead, something else happened (I still have no complete idea what it was), but the only thing I'm certain of now is that the failure of the Democrat Party was not (NOT) specifically Kammy's fault, or that of her "Elmer Fudd" running mate, either.

    *** If anything, the drubbing that Democrats got was because a clear majority of Americans puked all that DEI, 'woke', virtue-signaling, 'reparations' horseshit right back in Democrats' faces. It was an angry refutation of nearly everything the Democrat Party has been cultivating in itself for the past NINETY YEARS.... ***
     
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