We Don't Have a Gun Problem, We Have a Black Problem

You can't force one side to uphold its part of an agreement when the other side refuses to uphold theirs. That's patently absurd.

The party at fault for being in breach of contract is the party who originally refused to uphold it. So in fact the northerners were the treasonous ones For refusing to uphold the constitution in the first place.

 

Do you know why, just as an example, there is a Miss Black America pageant in the first place?

The regular Miss America pageant started in 1921...no black contestants until the 70s....60 years later...even through the 80s, there was nonacceptance as, for example, the first black Miss North Carolina had a cross burned on her front yard. Through to today, there is ongoing racism, including the not so subtle pressure for black contestants to look white, straighten their hair, etc.

A pageant may seem trivial to you, but apply that experience to all of life in America for centuries. This is why there are things aimed to support minorities...because the whole country was white...(and still is to a great degree)....the government, schools and colleges, neighborhoods, restaurants, banks, social clubs, sports....everything was the white man's world, and everyone else was considered lesser, prohibited, kept out, insulted, demeaned, second class, etc etc etc....

that's the difference, imo, on why things that are aimed to help minorities are not racist toward white people. No one, not the government nor society is trying to keep white people down or exclude them because they consider white people lesser (unless, of course, they are female or gay).

 

None of which negates the South breaking off, waging war to maintain slavery and ultimately losing.

 

I see the a residence of the stormnutters.com have made his way here. Must be a slow day there.

 

And they are white, and therefore white people are generally annoying loud stupid metal musicians.

I don't think it's vague, it's simple and to the point.

I don't know what you are going on about. As I said, the word "racist" isn't even really important. And as I said before, I find it interesting that people like you go to soooooo much trouble to try and "prove" you aren't "racist".

Whatever you call what you "are" in regard to the topic, it ain't at all good, imo.

And that text is often about race. You and others like you are the ones typing negative stuff about race and religion all the time. Here you are, trying to escape all these kinds of people you don't like or want to be around, but then you keep that hate in your mind all the time. Just seems weird and ironic.

I imagine they don't feel all that comfortable around people like you. As I said, not because you're white, but because you don't like them and feel uncomfortable around them. I suspect though, there have been times you have been around "them" and not even known it.

Judging people negatively as a group like that seems pretty lousy.

 

You do realize that at the HEIGHT of slavery less than 2% of white Americans owned slaves right?

Blacks didn't build this country. They were a tiny minority working for a tiny minority. This country was built on the backs of the 98% who didn't own slaves.

 

Good point. My contention, however, was that the South's common people did not want, and would not benefit, from either slavery or secession, yet they were the ones the Planters sent to die for them. The common people in the North could and did benefit from the North's victory in that they ended up living in a stronger country and one without slavery, which was making us an international pariah.

 

You are aware that Spinal Tap is a parody, yes? I say this only because there are. apparently, quite a few fans who think they a real rock band, they have toured, and generally to packed houses. Though that doesn't mean that everyone there wasn't in on the joke they also get considerable radio air time. Again the stations might be doing that tongue in cheek but you have to wonder about listeners..

I'm just a fan of any group who names an album "Break Like the Wind" myself

 

It doesn't really matter how many people owned them, they were still here in large numbers. I think there were 4 million slaves in 1860. They didnt "build" the country entirely, no, but they made a large contribution

 

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But the Confederacy, the governments and planters who seceded and then sent so many to die, undoubtedly was, this is the point. Soldiers die for their comrades and their country, they very rarely know what they're really dying for. Most of them wouldn't fight if they did IMO.

 

I beg to differ. When someone is making the argument this country was built by black slaves while the white people sat around and watched, it certainly does matter.

 

No. They were fighting in defense of the constitution. They didn't need to fight to save slavery, all they needed to do was sign the Corwin amendment.

 

The planters and other elites of the South led their soldiers into battle and died deside them

Preserving the Union which was the central issue of the war is not the same thing as ending slavery

 

Then why did they go to war? The Planters fought and died beside their soldiers because the slaves were their main asset, they faced financial ruin if they were made free. Did they just wake up one day and decide. "gee it would be nice to be an independent nation? " The tariff question was settled, what WERE they fighting for if it WASN"T slavery?

 

I think the South never really liked being attached to the North

In many ways we were two different countries at that time

No one could have imagined at that time the awsome nation America would become in the 20th Century

 

So to sum up....Blacks need to have extra penalties added to their sentences if they are convicted of a violent crime and the South were the good guys in the civil war.

Nah.....nothing racist about that. LOL

 

No one is making that argument. I said "it doesn't matter how many owned the slaves" and it doesn't; there were still 4 million of them here and that many is a significant enough amount that we can say with no doubt whatsoever that they made a significant contribution to America's history. They didn't do it ALL but they surely did a good portion.

 

You have something of a point, the South HAD become almost a different nation from the North at that time. And about the most significant difference between the two was that the South kept slaves. It made us the largest developed slave-keeping nation in the world and an international pariah..

If the South had been allowed to go its separate way, (which many thought was happening in the early months of 1860) Britain would have attacked and taken them over in a decade, if not a year. Ending slavery worldwide was a major part of their blatantly imperialistic foreign policy and they were not shy at all about going to war over it. Do you think they'd have left the rich prize of the American South go?

 

But they did.

 

How about you read my sig line and go back to not talking again.

 

I think the South was very different from the North dating back to the early colonies

But since the war we have become one country that unfortunately may be dividing again

 

Yep....there's nothing you can do about it. Good luck with your plan. LOL

 

I'll be happy to answer that question.

Look we can ALL agree that slavery was abhorrent and that the fugitive slave clause should have been removed from the constitution. However, the precedent CANNOT be allowed to stand unchallenged that the states and federal government can declare a portion of the constitution to be immoral, can refuse to uphold that portion of the constitution, can ignore multiple DIRECT orders of unconstitutionality from the Supreme Court, can attempt to change the constitution without going through the prescribed constitutional process and without the consent of the governed and then violently oppress anyone who oppose such them.

That is UNACCEPTABLE and must be met with fiercest and utmost opposition up to and including warfare. That's what our ancestors did. They stood up against a government in defense of the constitution. They did so against ALL odds, outsupplied, outgunned and outnumbered nearly three to one. And they did it with much sacrifice and blood spilled.

They should be honored for that.

 

Then maybe you can understand when no one gives a damn about your cries of racism Like in your previous post. Because you support racism against whites.