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Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Phoebe Bump, Feb 1, 2012.

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  1. Bluespade

    Bluespade Banned

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    Bluespade, Feb 3, 2012
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  2. Professor Peabody

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    MOAB.......KABOOM!

    They'll see the flash, but never hear the BOOM.​
     
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  3. Phoebe Bump

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    At the end of the day, you don't 'win' with targeted strikes. I don't know how many times that's been shown in recent years, but we lost in Iraq and Afghanistan showing off our ability to drop bombs through air-conditioning ducts. The only way to 'win' is to make the population suffer to the point they turn on those in power.

    I know it's cold-blooded.
     
    Phoebe Bump, Feb 3, 2012
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  4. Phoebe Bump

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    Yep, it does. But JDAMs don't do anything except irritate and alienate.

    I'm wondering if we would have even attempted Iraq if the American people hadn't been counting on precision bombing?
     
    Phoebe Bump, Feb 3, 2012
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  5. Nightmare515

    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    I would think it would suck. The same way Iran thinks being bullied by America sucks which is why they want nukes.

    People have a hard time understanding the concept that there are a huge number of people who take their own country's side in the grand scheme of things.

    If I were Chinese I'd be proud to be Chinese and I'd likely be in the military ready and willing to fight any and everybody that threatened China. Same with, Russia, Iran, etc.

    I've said it a thousand times, for example, I don't blame Iran one bit for giving America and our allies the middle finger and trying to build nukes to protect themselves from the powers of the world. If I were them I'd be doing the exact same thing. The thing is I'm not Iranian, or Chinese, or Russian. I'm American and I just happened to been born in a time period where I could join the most powerful military in the history of mankind. So I'm all for keeping our ability to keep our enemies in check via the biggest guns.
    If I were Russian I'd be in the Russian Army giving America and her big guns the finger.

    I'm no fool, I understand and know all to well that America isn't some huge innocent Saint in the world who just can't understand why some people don't like us too much. I was in Kandahar City and was in quite a few firefights. Got blown up there too. Do I blame the Taliban for being pissed off at the US and trying to kill me? Not really, but that doesn't stop the fact that I would fight them all to the death for trying to kill my fellow soldiers and Americans whether we rightfully invaded them or not. At that point the "reason" for going to war goes out the window, somebody just tried to kill you, you are at war, you kill them first or they'll kill you, period.

    When you goto war the whole right and wrong thing goes out the window. You are fighting for your life and the lives of your fellow troops so that you can go home alive.

    If we invaded Canada tomorrow for absolutely no reason I would hold the same mentality. Because the second the Canadians started fighting back and targeting my fellow soldiers I would target them right back, regardless of whether or not we were wrong in crossing that border.

    That's how soldiers are, and if you go to war thinking about whether or not you should fight because you don't know if its justified or not then you have zero business in the military. And you won't last 24 hours.
     
    Nightmare515, Feb 3, 2012
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  6. kenrichaed

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    Does Iran really think having a couple nukes is going to make America get out of their face? Are they so stupid that they think they could set off a nuke to scare us away without realizing that we would retaliate in force effectively ending the little country known as Iran.

    If they are really that stupid than I imagine they are not going to be around much longer.
     
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    Occupations do seem rather pointless. They worked after WW2, but only because mass media was slower and easier to control, and rules of engagement were different.

    In the modern age, you're better off just blowing the hell out of a country and leaving.
     
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  8. Nightmare515

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    No, nukes are blueprint weapons. Those phantom Armageddon bombs that give you a political backing but everyone knows you won't actually use.

    Nukes are for diplomacy and elevate a country to a more level playing field from a diplomatic standpoint. Iran knows that nuking Israel like they boast about will result in their complete destruction, literally.

    It just moves them from the little nation who talks crap to the nation who talks crap and "could" actually back it up theoretically.

    Its all about diplomacy man, it has very little to do with the actual military use of nukes.
     
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    I understand this but nukes will not give Iran a place on the world stage as it has for other countries. It has done nothing to give North Korea any more respect and I doubt it will for Iran.

    They may say that people need to listen to them now at which point we will laugh at them and dare them to use a nuke to give us an excuse. I believe it will actually make them weaker.
     
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  10. Nightmare515

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    Iran doesn't need world stage power, Iran needs regional power and nuclear weapons will give them that.
     
    Nightmare515, Feb 12, 2012
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    Vietnam has had civilisation for over a thousand years, primarily agricultural, but a civilisation none the less.

    Also,, look at a couple of maps of Indochina. Most of the Ho Chi Minh tralis ran through southern Laos and not Vietnam. The heaviest bombing campaigns were undertaken in Laos.
     
    lizarddust, Feb 12, 2012
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    Intentionally killing a lot of children and other innocent people isn't a way to win a war (in addition to being a crime). It is a way to make a lot of enemys real fast.
     
    Rollo1066, Feb 12, 2012
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  13. Nightmare515

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    And how is this relevant to the discussion?
     
    Nightmare515, Feb 12, 2012
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    If you are expecting reason, from the totally unreasonable, you will be placing yourself down to their level.
     
    BuckNaked, Feb 14, 2012
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    People forget that Iranian nuclear weapons have

    Nothing to do with the United States.

    Nothing to do with Israel.

    Iranian nuclear weapons are designed to give them regional preeminence. Especially over a Saudi Arabia which is wealthier, has stronger allies, and a nice array of more modern military equipment.
     
    Dayton3, Feb 15, 2012
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    This is hopelessly naive. By way of illustration, I'll ask you to explain what you think would have happened next, should that have been the strategy.
     
    Subdermal, Feb 15, 2012
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    Calling commondreams.org 'alternative media' is a true insult to alternative media.
     
    Subdermal, Feb 15, 2012
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  18. Sly

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    No, just shock and awe...

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neDgVb9YHcA"]Sky News - Shock & Awe Iraq - YouTube[/ame]
     
    Sly, Feb 15, 2012
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    Says the flower child.

    You just let 9/11 happen and walk away a coward?

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUV69LZbCNQ"]Obama's 2002 Speech Against the War, Delivered by Supporters - YouTube[/ame]
     
    Sly, Feb 15, 2012
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    Have you ever seen or smelled a person burned by Napalm? Make you forget all about starting another war. Nothing could be more insane.
     
    driller80545, Feb 15, 2012
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  21. Nightmare515

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    I'm so glad that someone finally used some logic in this discussion
     
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