Welfare

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  1. bd428

    bd428 New Member

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    I hear it time and time again how welfare is bad and needs to be reformed and frankly I agree that welfare needs to be reformed. But how exactly would you do it?
     
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    You are asking Americans to think .
    TheTopic will not move .
     
  3. stig42

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    but apparently if i was from England or anywhere else i would be able to come up with something that wasn’t bull (*)(*)(*)(*)

    because (*)(*)(*)(*) Americans i guess I don’t like them
     
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    See .Look , there goes one .
    Speeding off after some amazing Name Calling that clearly puts a new dimension on Welfare .
     
  5. PARAMONOS

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    It needs to give the most responsibility to the American people as possible. Take that where you will.
     
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    I would do this if someone is disabled set a standard of living wage then expect them to work if they can up to 20 hours a week deducting that amount with a 4% adjustment under that to the worker. Say you have a man in a wheelchair and he works as a customer service rep and earns $800 after taxes in a month that is $10 an hour and you set the living wage at $1200 he gets. That would be under my formulae $768 so make up the difference in a check or $432.

    This would be to encourage the disabled to work they would make a little more money and since they work part-time food stamps and other programs would be far less used saving money in those areas.

    If someone really couldn't work they would get the whole $1200.

    I will note those that can work and are not limited should be expected to work I would do the same thing but require they take any job offered or lose the money and benefits. I all they can do is part-time fine its honest work and all but if they get offered enough hours to no qualify for this benefit and refuse or get fired due to clearly poor performance or quite they get cut off.

    This way those most in need get help and bums won't. Once could include an amount of job training as work to be fair if laid off and they are in school or something this is just the framework for an employment encouraging form of welfare.
     
  7. Clint Torres

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    One of the biggest welfare programs every State in the USA has is the public education welfare system. It is a huge burden and failure and cost taxpayers billions in each state. When you look at the cost of education, you will see it cost nothing to teach someone something. But yet the loser educators continue to manipulate the masses with their high cost and bogus needs. For what, all that money does nothing but pay for some adults who have never worked in a real job with real hours, and with real accountability. Every State has there educators who make the 6figure income and contribute nothing to any improvements in the system. They have their own subculture of courts, police and policies, and the taxpayer pays for this high price baby sitting program. Now each of the US states are in debt and have sold bonds to pay for their failing public education welfare system.

    The only way for America to rise up from number 30 or 40 of industrilized countries is to privatize the public school welfare system, and make people work for their money like the public schools. After all, that is where the elite of the USA send their kids for a real education.
     
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    How is teaching not a real job with real hours? not saying abuse doesn’t happen or that there’s no greed or incompetence among teachers but spending 6 hours a day explaining things to people then spending hours going over their work to see if they understand it sounds like a real job to me (having to deal with students is work I remember being a Scholl kid I and others were (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)s a lot)
     
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    We need a safety net but it needs to be minimal. We give out to much in food stamps...so much that budgeting is not needed. Its funny...but its when you are off the system is when you learn how to budget.

    The government should call on the help of churches and private charity organizations. It seems that people are less apt to be "dependent" when their help comes from private sources.

    Medical should be covered by clinics that accept on payscale. Free medical care----will demotivate people from looking for better jobs or jobs at all. Its just human nature---because free medical care is a benefit treasured. (as Obama knows by the way...once you get it, ya can't go back)

    Housing and daycare are the two basic areas that will take a persons entire check for the month. Daycare should be the governments main effort. Drop the housing benefits and let the free market work or charities help.

    That is my opinion.
     
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    The best fix would simply be to take it completely out of the federal government's hands and leave it to the states. No federal rules, regulation, standards or subsidies. A state would be free to be as lavish or as stingy as it chooses.

    After a few years, we would have a large variety of policies and would have a great opportunity to see which policies work and which ones don't.
     
  11. DeskFan

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    Get rid of welfare and replace it with government funded job placement centers in every city.
     
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    I favor welfare for people who are incapable of taking care of themselves and only for those incapable of taking care of themselves.
     
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    Granny wantin' to know if the gubmint can afford to give alla dat money to big business - how come she still ain't got her 2nd stimulus check?...
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    'Corporate Welfare' Costs Taxpayers Almost $100 Billion in FY 2012, Cato Report Finds
    August 3, 2012 – Subsidies to businesses in the federal budget in Fiscal Year 2012 cost taxpayers almost $100 billion, according to a new report from the Cato Institute.
     
  14. cain73

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    I have a solution that would be cost and logistically effective, but not politically correct.

    We are over run with welfare recipients. Not those that have fallen on hard times, but a culture that has decided they are entitled to a check for simply breathing and breeding.
    we can't just throw them in the street, so lets get some value for our money. Our other huge problem is illegal immigration costing us trillions in crime, healthcare, loss of taxes, education, etc. etc.
    Ok, here's the solution:
    take all welfare recipients and put them on border patrol 4 - 10 hour days per week. That will give them weekends off and 1 day off in case they want off welfare to go out and look for a different job. Tell them that they get their check only after completing a 40 hour work week like everyone else.
    Let them know that if they let an illegal alien cross, that illegal alien gets their welfare check from now on, and they get nothing. That will cure both problems at once. No more illegals will get in, so anyone wanting to come will have to do it legally. And we will secure our borders with those that are already getting supported on our tax dime, only then we'd be getting work out of them first.
    Done and done.
     
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    Alucard New Member Past Donor

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    America will always need welfare because America will always have its poor.
     
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    Replace it with a dormitory system, when someone needs help they go to or are brought to the dormitory. A place with rooms, a cafeteria, counselors, etc. much of it functioning like a hostel.

    No cash is given out, only help, clothing, food, etc. Things like a bag lunch for those heading out for a job.

    Many who fall still have a vehicle, this should be supported as a vehicle is a step to prosperity and can be a home. A safe place to park, help with insurance, fuel, and maintenance.

    These places can/should be at least initially government funded but should not be government run and should be transitioned to private funding.
     

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