Western Religion does not understand God

Was the MARS LANDING FAKE?
http://www.ign.com/boards/threads/was-the-mars-landing-fake.452609894/

Mars landing FAKED!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ad-sgThDQcY


MarsFaker: Phoenix Rising. PART 1.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QH7vN3oO1Zw&feature=related
This is a good video. It'll be worthwhile to research the original news articles about those landings.

MarsFaker: Phoenix Rising. PART 2.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlUPnNiG81k&feature=relmfu

The Phoenix lander supposedly used a parachute. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_(spacecraft)
For unknown reasons, the parachute was deployed about 7 seconds later than expected, leading to a landing position some 25–28 km long (east), near the edge of the predicted 99% landing ellipse. Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter's High Resolution Imaging Science Experiment (HiRISE) camera photographed Phoenix suspended from its parachute during its descent through the Martian atmosphere. This marks the first time ever one spacecraft has photographed another in the act of landing on a planet[28][29] (the Moon not being a planet, but a satellite). The same camera also imaged Phoenix on the surface with enough resolution to distinguish the lander and its two solar cell arrays. Ground controllers used Doppler tracking data from Odyssey and Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter to determine the lander's precise location as 68.218830°N 234.250778°ECoordinates: 68.218830°N 234.250778°E.

Now the question you have to be serious about is this: Would a parachute deploy in the thin Martian atmosphere and support an object weighing 770 pounds (It's less on Mars but whatever it weighs the problem is the same).

The atmospheric pressure on the surface of Mars varies from around 30 pascals (0.0044 psi) on Olympus Mons's peak to over 1,155 pascals (0.1675 psi) in the depths of Hellas Planitia, with a mean surface level pressure of 600 pascals (0.087 psi), compared to Earth's sea level average of 101.3 kilopascals (14.69 psi), and a total mass of 25 teratonnes, compared to Earth's 5148 teratonnes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmosphere_of_Mars

This link is about parachute canopy pressures (technical stuff).
http://contrails.iit.edu/DigitalCollection/1966/AFFDLTR66-010.pdf

This link contains a chart of atmospheric pressure for various Earth altitudes. http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/standard-atmosphere-d_604.html

Now notice that the pressure at the bottom of Hellas Planitia (0.1675 psi) is comparable to an altitude pressure of around 100,000 feet on Earth (0.162 psi).

As the guy pointed out, if a parachute canopy won't fill at 100,000 feet altitude on Earth how will it fill at that pressure on Mars?

Any ideas?

 

So just what are the great original teachings of Jesus?

Almost all of Jesus' teaching is variarations of "you must worship God or you'll go to hell". That's not moral or original.

The Golden Rule is nice, but it's certainly not original.

If Jesus was such an amazing teacher, I'm sure some of you can list his amazing teachings. So do so.

 

Because it's a supersonic parachute, a rather different thing from an ordinary parachute. It's not designed to work at low speeds. It works at extremely high speeds, where it does catch enough air.

 

Excellent. I would lose my faith in humanity if there weren't someone out there claiming that these robotic Mars missions are hoaxes as well.

 

Gandalf was pretty amazing too.

 

Gandalf?
Wasn't he a homosexual?

 

I never knew such things existed.
http://eurus.mechse.uiuc.edu/High_Performance_Turbulence_and_Combustion_modeling_lab/Parachute.html

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2012/08/mro-curiosity-descent/

Now, given the low air density and pressure it seems unlikely that any kind of parachute would be effective in the Martin atmosphere. Of course I haven't conducted any experiments but the claim of using parachutes doesn't seem reasonable to me. You might as well use a parachute to land on the moon.

 

Do you think parachutes could operate in the Martin atmosphere? The density is very low and it might not slow down a high speed object.

 

the notion of god is simply the projection of a person or society's self-image that happens to be a delusion, based on their desire to be perfect. why is god anti-gay? because the people that invented him were anti-gay.

the better question is:

why is god a self-contradiction?

because humans are self-contradictions.

god is man. he exists as a delusional manifestation, formed by primitive instinctual desires that have yet to be removed from the majority of the gene pool.

just give it time. the cure for god is evolution.

 

I didn't read all the way through the thread because its the same old same old, but I will say "wolvie's" going to make a great christian in a about 15 years....its coming.

 

Coming in what way....?

 

Please save the conspiracy theory bull(*)(*)(*)(*).

Do you honestly think if their was a vast conspiracy NASA would be stupid enough to construct a lie that is easily dismissed as such? Please. Spare us.

 

Well the belief in a magical invisible sky deity and landing on Mars is very comparable. People want to believe in various things so it's very easy to fool them.

Even scientists say that it looks like Earth.

The ancient Martian crater where the Curiosity rover landed looks strikingly similar to the Mojave Desert in California with its looming mountains and hanging haze, scientists said.

Chief scientist John Grotzinger of the California Institute of Technology said: "The first impression that you get is how Earth-like this seems looking at that landscape."

Read more: http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/n...ike-mojave-desert-16195592.html#ixzz231SYBAl1

Now think about how many billions of people believe that ancient people spoke with various gods, angels and demons. They swear that all of that stuff actually happened. Of course they don't have any evidence. And people today don't have any evidence that we ever went to the moon or landed vehicles on Mars with supersonic parachutes and balloons.

Sure, we have the pictures but they also have assorted relics, like the Shroud of Turin and pieces of the cross and Mohammed's bones and Jesus's tomb.

The question was if a parachute of any kind can function in the low pressure, low density Martian atmosphere. Frankly, I don't know. I'm fairly certain that they've never deployed a parachute on a space vehicle reentering Earth's atmosphere at over 100,000 feet. In 1960 a guy did do a parachute out of a balloon at 102,800 feet but that's a little different than popping a parachute out of a vehicle flashing through the sky. And the other difference is that Earth's atmosphere gets denser toward the surface. The Martain atmosphere surface pressure is comparable to over 100,000 altitude on Earth. The guy opened his main chute at an altitude of 17,500 feet. The air pressure is in excess of 7 psi at that altitude. So he was able to slow down before splattering on the ground. http://spacejump.co.uk/history.htm

I'm calling BS on the Martian landings. And did you notice that this time they took pictures of the payload and parachute landing with the satellite orbiting Mars? That's a little too convenient. http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/msl/news/msl20120806b.html

If people can believe in all sorts of religious nonsense I suppose they might as well believe in parachutes operating in the Martian atmosphere.

 

God did not appear from nothing. He was always there. God doesn't hate gays.

 

What do you mean by "Western" ? Your western or my western?

 

I've known several young people like you......

 

Conspiracy theories are complete and utter bull(*)(*)(*)(*) devoid of reason and factual claims.

 

The cyclic universe is an eternal universe that is eternal and far less complicated than the premise of God.

 

So I will actually become Christian even though I don't believe it makes sense?

 

if you're of the elect....yes....

 

OK, but when will we see some pictures of the stars in the Martian night sky? They never did produce any on the moon.

It's hard to hit a target here on Earth without GPS. Yet the probe went millions of miles across space and landed right in the middle of the Martian crater just as planned. That's darn good. And it arrived just in time to get its picture taken by the local satellite. Those guys should win all of the lotteries.

It's like all of those zombies that popped out of their graves and went to visit their buddies in Jerusalem when Jesus got crucified. Both stories are whoppers. Where are the pictures of the stars from Mars?

 

Atheism.....The belief there was nothing and then nothing created something....That doesn't make much sense either.

 

Creationism...The belief that a magical being always existed and created everything out of nothing....That doesn't make much sense either.

 

I haven't looked into the details of it, but someone mentioned that they had special parachutes that could do the job there.

It's possible to fly a special plane on Mars, at least on a computer simulation. You can do that on a program called X-Plane, which is unfortunately commercial, but fun to play with if you feel like plonking down the dough to buy it. I only mention it because it demonstrates that while the atmosphere there is considerably thinner than on Earth, there is still something there that can be used.

 

"Nothing" is a relative term.