WH supports Pain-Capable Unborn Child Protection Act

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  1. FoxHastings

    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

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    Yes, but DO give a time in human history where everyone was "personally responsible". The answer is never....and you can't change human nature.


    No, they're not....especially if they're not used properly.


    ...and a drug that some may not want to use. We have the right to not use drugs.






    What has that got to do with anything???

    You think because you demand humans have nothing but oral sex they will obey ? :roflol:

    Why? Abortion is a legal medical procedure. ...and if one million women want an abortion the numbers are fine.






    So you WANT children raised by lazy, irresponsible parents? How odd!


    It is VERY responsible to abort a fetus that you don't want or can't afford .


    No, DO show some evidence that birth control is obligatory.......( it isn't)




     
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    foxhastings, you are devastatingly witty.
     
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    • Flamebaiting (Rule 3)
    20 weeks is a long time to fix your mistake. <Rule 2/3>
     
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    you bring up great points.. in fact I would like to expand the laws of abortion to also include the father.. he should have the right to abort his child.. in fact maybe make it so even after birth you can abort the child.. I mean if the father cant afford to pay child support the best thing to do is just bash that infant over the head with a bat right? I mean that would be the responsible thing to do.
     
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  6. FoxHastings

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    So you couldn't address the points in my post so got all hyperbolic and silly :)
     
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    You read the laws wrongly, again, of course. The fetal homicide laws do not convey person hood on a fetus. The laws are dependent on harm to the mother, which is conveyed to the fetus. The target of the harm is the mother, not the fetus. No harm to mother, no harm to fetus.
     
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    TRFjr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    it is called human rights not person rights and if you deny the unborn especially at 20 weeks aren't human you are <Mod Edit- Rule 2>
     
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    TRFjr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    and another
    it is called human rights not personhood rights
    you are no better then the slave owners saying slaves are humans but a different class of humans that we will deny them of all rights we give to other humans
     
  10. JakeStarkey

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    You are entitled to that comment, no matter how wrong you are.
     
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    Fetuses are dependent on the mother. She has person hood, human hood, of which the fetus has neither.

    The fetus=slave analogy is simply-minded and lame.
     
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    TRFjr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    so you are admitting you are creating two classes of humans one with rights one with out just like at the time of slavery witch makes you no better then those salve owners justifying owning and doing what the hell they want with one class of humans
    and by the way it is called human rights not person rights
     
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    same reasoning the slave owners gave to justify owning and doing what the wanted with that class of humans
    they are humans without rights
     
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    Oh, here we go with the English lesson ...again.

    A human fetus is human ( descriptive adjective.) AND I NEVER SAID ANYTHING DIFFERENT..... I never said a human fetus wasn't human....

    A BORN person is a human being ( person) ( NOUN)

    No, they are not called person rights( how very clever of you but that's been said a thousand times before), they are called human rights and one has to be born to have them.


    YOU seem to want the fetus to have more rights than the woman it's in and yet I bet you say, 'Oh, no, I have nothing against women"....just wanting to give fetuses MORE rights than the woman it's in...and more rights than any other PERSON has...
     
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    Oh gawd and then the old trite stupidity about slaves...


    Slaves were BORN people so they had rights .... do look up "BORN", it's an eye opener.


    I did NOT create anything.


    The law says one has to be born to have rights and it's also common sense...YOU wish to give fetuses super rights over everyone else!!
     
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    so do infants.. so your cool with a 19month old "fetus" being "aborted"?
     
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    DUH, infants are NOT dependent on the woman who birthed them Duh and duh again......they are NOT inside the woman ,they are outside , it's called being BORN(look it up) and ANYONE can take care of them....
     
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    Some folks, FoxHastings, want to change language and definitions and facts.
     
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    There are no two different classes of humans. Fetuses are not human persons, no matter how much you want them to be.
     
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    You are still wrong. No comparison of fetuses=slaves.
     
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    Why do libs support our current system of aborting primarily minority babies? Those are potential voters!
     
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    Now the Margaret Sanger nonsense is going to begin, and Sanger hated abortion.
     
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    There is no "system for aborting minority babies".

    First, no babies are aborted.

    Second, the only "system" is one of equality where women of color have the same right to abortions as white women....

    Don't you think minority women should have the same rights? I'm guessing you don't.
     
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    Most abortions are done long before 20 weeks.

    The rest of your post is just sheer crap...
     
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    That is already the law
     
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