WH supports Pain-Capable Unborn Child Protection Act

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  1. Mac-7

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    I don't believe in adoption. I would never, ever place a child. I will abort if I get pregnant and don't want to be. I am not a broodmare for the barren.
     
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    Why are you saying something totally irrelevant to the topic?
     
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    You called me, remember?
     
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    So you'd rather kill your baby than place it in a home with loving parents, just amazing. What don't you believe about adoption and should we halt them in this country?
     
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    Thousands of female babies are killed by their mothers every year.

    I don't as you do with aborting girl babies who will never grow up to be adult women.

    I support their rights starting when they are born instead of killing them, why do you support killing them?
     
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    I'm callous because I support the baby being placed with loving parents who will nurture and educate and raised in a loving home but you aren't because you want to kill the baby.

    Care to reconcile that? And do you know what surrogate parenting is, I guess you oppose that too?
     
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    Mental health of the mother.
     
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    Why do you refer to me as an embryo, I am an adult of the species. Why does HHS of the US Government, the Canadian health system, the UK health system, and innumerable medical websites and women's health clinics refer to life in the womb as a baby? Because they are babies. And BTW in human embryology the life in the womb is only a zygote stage of it's life for the first 5 days.
     
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    Thousands of babies are killed through abortion every year and yes they are children. You are attempt to justify your support for abortion by changing the meanings of words.
     
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    No, they aren't. IF they were you'd have multiply headlines and news articles screaming about all these murders and you do NOT.



    I don't care what sex they are as long as women have the right to abort them...

    YOU seem to only care that female fetuses are aborted, do you hate males?



    YUP! Their rights start when they are BORN and not before....I see you FINALLY learned something.



    I don't support killing them....and have NEVER stated I do....


    Unlike you, I support BORN women's right to their own bodies...
     
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    No you seem callous because you don't consider what pregnancy and childbirth would do to the woman......it isn't an Alka-Seltzer, plop plop fizz fizz....it's 9 months of body pain and damage, possible job/career/financial setbacks and possible job loss (so you can scream at the woman about being on welfare when she's broke and loses her job...isn't THAT your plan???)
     
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    OK, let's discuss this.

    A woman about to give birth goes into the hospital and demands an abortion.

    Do you HONESTLY think the doctors just toss her on to a table and have at it???

    NO, they would first give her a psyche evaluation because obviously she has mental issues...

    BECAUSE DESPITE WHAT YOU THINK OF WOMEN

    they do not "enjoy" 9 months of pregnancy just for the "fun" of an abortion.
     
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    I refer to you as an embryo the same way you refer to an embryo as a child. By the way they do not refer to embryos as babies! They may just personify an embyo. .
     
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    And yes we have thousands of embryos walking around with guns killing. I don’t like you calling embryos babies and I don’t care if you don’t like me calling born people embryos. Try using the medical terminology Just think if we have thousands and thousands of more babies being born how difficult it would be to feed them. Look Trump is already cutting health insurance and food for poor children but yet you want more. Life begins at conception and ends at birth for people like you
     
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    He doesn’t even realize sex of a fetus Cannot be determined when most abortions take place in the first trimester
     
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    There can be no abortion when a woman is in the hospital ready to give birth. If a psych evaluation shows she is mentally ill the child can be taken away
     
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    Yes, and if she asks for an abortion at the last 'minute" she gets that evaluation.....that was my point to the other poster and any other Anti-Choicer who thinks mentally healthy women go by the millions to have abortions at 9 months...but that's part of the fact that they don't think much of women.
     
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    That’s why Trump loves the uneducated people , they never bother to educate themselves
     
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    The fetus has a penis at 11 weeks. The reason the sex "can't be determined" is because if they don't see a penis on the ultrasound, it could just mean they don't have a clear enough view, so they can't be sure whether it's a girl or not.

    A fetus has a penis at 11 weeks old
     
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    The reason they don’t determine sex before 18 weeks is because males and females look the same. You are aware that An 111week fetus is only a fraction of an ounce,

    https://www.babycenter.com/400_can-i-find-out-the-sex-of-my-baby-at-11weeks_7186662_533.bc
     
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    The above is absolutely true. The reason uneducated people believe they can see male genitalia is because the clitoris and labia are taken to be a penis and testicles at an early stage of pregnancy.
     
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    Inane baiting strawman duly noted and ignored for obvious reasons!

    You FAILED to answer the question because CAN'T!

    And yes, that does say volumes about those who oppose women's rights with no sound factual or legal basis for doing so.
     
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    Onus is ENTIRELY on YOU to provide factual data supporting your utterly BOGUS allegation about "lots of wiggle room".
     
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    Why are you avoiding answering the question as to why do you oppose women's reproductive rights?
     
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