What a courageous lady, standing up for a peaceful minority - Muslims!

Let us contextualise this issue, I choose this statement as reference.

I had thought that EVERYBODY in this forum would stand against child abuse without exception. You can see how wrong that assumption was...

If you are Australian or have anything even cursory to Australia one would be aware of a Royal Commission into Child Abuse by Church and State (short title). If you had followed this Royal Commission just a little bit MORE than just the news headlines one would become well aware of several issues here…

FIRST, one most undeniable fact, Child Abuse is not limited to one race but spans ALL. Does not limit itself to one wealth class but spans ALL, does not limit itself to one region but spans all. Does not limit itself to one political belief but spans ALL AND does not limit itself to ONE religion but spans ALL.

SECOND, It is OBVIOUS it is completely out of anybody’s understanding in this area of the forum of just how much courage and how much humility The victims have to stand before this commission AND THE WORLD and tell YOU about the most shameful thing of their lives… Why is it hard you night ask??? First you have to tell you humiliating story to people and without any evidence other than he said, she said and you have to be believed… AND LET ME TELL YOU, most of the world does not BELIEVE… they persecute…

Now if you could have just the slightest understanding of HOW these victims of child abuse really feel, I should not be alone IN condemning the IGNORANCE of posters who post

It is clear this poster would rather trivialise the efforts of victims to simply win some political point. It is clear that the most harrowing experience of the victims of child abuse are nothing more than a talking piece these people throw out to insult others. IT is CLEAR these people have absolutely NO empathy other than for their self-sanctimonious, self-righteous, self- gratifying depravity. If these people could walk in the shoes of a victim of child abuse for ONE day they would see how such comments directly insult THEM. They show no clearer demonstration that their story will never be believed and that should they build up the courage to stand up and let their voice be heard, they will be shunned by people such as these clowns who pretend they have some sort of affinity to them yet clearly demonstrate the opposite…

Now I could go on, but possibly the most telling thing this has demonstrated to the world, Apparently Australia is happy to politicise child abuse victims for a political point. I would have thought far more people would condemn the comments of people who attempt to marginalise the victims and crimes for their own benefit, I see Australia has a very long way to go when there is only ONE Person in a thread who is outraged enough to stand to oppose such depravity, OTHERS would rather just sit back and support such the depravity of these people…

BUT I Will STAND and support these victims and I will STAND to oppose such disgusting people as to perpetrate, or marginalise this crime... You can complain all you like but until now the worst I thought on this forum was to attempt to score political points off the lives of others… BB I stand corrected there are TWO who surpass your depth and frankly deserve complete and utter scorn of the world…

IF you are not outraged, do not attempt to say you care, your just insulting to these people…

 

I am sorry, but nothing you say NOW will make me happy due to the depravity you demonstrate. You simply are incapable of any understanding of what you do and frankly, you deserve nothing but scorn. YOUR attempt to justify your depravity clearly demonstrates just how low you are...

Don't play the innocent victim here you have insulted far more REAL victims with you depraved and perverted comments...

 

I have been constantly intellectually ashamed by many of the denigrating and hypocritical comments these do-gooders have posted, but never shocked.

For an individual to draw a parallel or comparison between modern day Christianity and the current teaching and doctrine of Islam without having a basic understanding of both religions and their conception, demonstrates personal stupidity and a lack of basic education.

One thing you learn very quickly, when do-gooders & bleeding hearts (witch hunters) go crusading, all reasoning; facts; justice; and evidence flies out the window. They instantly bolt for the moral and ethical high ground and claim the victim status, but in the face of facts and intellectual logic; they are never able to hold that position for very long without falling flat on their faces. We have just witnessed ever do-gooder and bleeding heart on this forum fall flat on their face, by trying to compare modern day Christianity to the teaching and doctrine of Islam; which has not been successful from a rational and intellectual perspective. To use a very simplistic analogy: its similar to comparing chalk & cheese, and that is what the do-gooders and bleeding hearts have done, and that is why they have failed.

These bleeding hearts and do-gooders are vicious little snipes, who will attack anyone they perceive as being discriminatory or racist against another person or group, but they refuse to acknowledge they betray their own philosophies of what discrimination and racism represents, when they willing protect people and groups, who are discriminatory and racist against someone else. There is a psychological & psychiatric term for that behaviour, and its not healthy.

They accuse me and others of being discriminatory and racist against Muslims and Islam, but refuse to accept the facts and evidence that all Muslims, who willingly follow the teachings and doctrine of Islam, discriminates against gender, sexuality and race.

So in the eyes of the do-gooder and bleeding heart, Christian/Buddhist/Hindu people are forbidden to be racist or discriminate against anyone, but its ok for Muslims to openly practice discrimination against gender; sexuality and race.

 

Further to my comment...

I should probably apologise to many in this area of the forum for my generalization of judging of their stance upon Child abuse in Australia or the silence I claimed. I do see support for my stance and in my outrage I was blinded to such... It is obvious that many are now uncomfortable to discuss issues due to this outrage. If this is the reason I do apologise to those who have nothing to do with these fools.

I remain in my outrage at the two particular posters and do feel that everybody should let them know that this should NEVER be tolerated or minimalised by making ignorant comments. I will explain…

This is a forum that promotes discussion on politics, NOT mental health, not mechanical repairs or anything else, just politics… We may be sitting in our rooms writing (saying) this and that on the computer just as if your sitting in your kitchen discussing subjects with a person in front of us. BUT we are not, we are posting comments in a forum that the world can and does read. Our comments, be they right or wrong, are constantly judged by the world. and our words do change people’s perceptions as long as it is provided with decent evidence or truth…

So when people reflect upon subject that NEVER should be raised in such a forum their comment is read by all, including those who the comment is a reflection on. In this case victims of child abuse and while many think “there just words” to many victims it is a true reflection on their greatest secret in life, their greatest shame and their greatest hurt. Any comment is heard with amplification to people who hear them…
Possibly something that can bring you close to what I am trying to say about making comments that are inappropriate is if you read http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=435187&p=1065613746#post1065613746
When you see how such a small thing can echo great distance and have such a great effect. Just a note I am glad his faith in humanity was restored…

If you can imagine (which I believe so many will not find it easy) to understand how just the smallest gesture can make such a difference to a life, you will understand that negative comments ALSO make such a great difference to a life and not in a good way.

I really do not know how to explain this issue in real depth so others who clearly do not know can understand exactly how detrimental such comments are. All I can say if these people had made such a comment to me in their or my kitchen I would have given them a slight comparison to what victim really feel… just the pain as they are taken away on a stretcher. I am sure they would understand the outrage then… And that would not go close to what they reflect upon…

So for those who thought I was reflecting on a lack of support, feel free to bag me out and tell me how wrong I am.

BUT for the Two who trivialise Child Abuse in attempt to score political points I make no admission and still demand you are sent packing as the filth you portrayed...

 

Absolutely. I know there was some probing in this area, not sure how far they got.

 

tv,
not too far, with a heart condition. It is quite understandable, isn't it? Has Tone's backing anyway. Nothing more needs to be said....
Regards

I sometimes wished, we would celebrate a nicer exchange.
Some people here (wish shows within the last few posts) are out there not to discuss, but trying to hurt others.
Not so good, says the dogooder.....
Regards

 

How truly disgusting, Now you pretend to be the victim after your attempt to slam others with your so called holier than thou reflection on others about a subject you have NO idea.

Pray tell, WHO was trying to besmear others who do not agree with you, with depravity of political point scoring of child abuse??? All in the Ignorance of the truth...

What utter filth you have turned out to be and you continue to claim to be the victim...

 

Honestly,
you should see a shrink. Bullying around won't get you anywhere. I feel so sad for you, hopefully you will recover soon.
regards

 

Give it a break Garry, you're being silly now. No one celebrated child molestation and no one made light heart of it. Your claim is beyond rediculously outrageous and outlandish! The way you are carrying on is reprehensible. Desperately imploring people to back your claim shows exactly the kind of person you are. You need to realise that you aren't going to control people on this forum and if you think you can you are much more peculiar than I actually thought.

How about you and I come to an arrangement. You don't respond to my comments and I to yours. I'm down with it, how about you?

 

Now, as it is YOU who decided to task me, I don't think you are in any position to be talking responding to anybody. We have already seen the depravity you will sink too and now you pretend to be innocently persecuted. Your vile attempt to pretend you’re the victim... Obviously you found the truth and you now want to change the record.

Typical, attempt to insult others by trivialising child abuse and blame everybody else. I guess the world should not expect anything else from such depraved individuals… You talk about controlling people, yet what is it you attempt here… I however, expect people to stand against depravity and perversion of such nature, YOU however would rather trivialise it and ignore it… slither back under the rock you climb from, You don’t want me to respond DON’T START.

Personally I could do without hearing your particular depravity , but the world is just a little bit more stupid and depraved because you opened you mouth.

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What a disgusting person you are... Nothing but insult to all about and you claim to care about people. You really are a perfect representation of the Greens, I am sure they are happy to have the likes of you to support them in their efforts in Parliament.


You seem totally oblivious to the shameful display you represent Australia with. Your trivialise Child abuse to attempt to insult people who do not have your racist views and then pretend your innocently being persecuted. It is clear you are completely oblivious to how your comments affect others but YOU’R the victim of bulling.

I do think that maybe YOU should talk to a shrink to find out exactly how disgusting you are. Obviously you have little respect for yourself let alone anybody else.

But again the world is a little more depraved and a little more stupid because you opened your mouth exposing everybody to your ignorance…

 

I'm not gobsmacked cos I'm mature in years for that... but the outrageous ABUSE of posters over an IMAGINARY 'trivialising of child abuse' is beyond belief and completely irrational.

He complains of posters trivialising child abuse... while HE ABUSES posters here.

 

Originally Posted by m2catter View Post
Aren't those the same people (on the other side of the fence) who want to stop the boats, to keep our country pure white, pure Christian, pure pure pure?

And the other thing in regards to barbaric, as we speak there are still children sexually abused by the church clergy, covered up by a higher institution of the same. In the 21st century!
All good?????????
Regards

I thought it might be a good idea to look at my post again. Is this a post which could be seen differently from what it says/means?
I don't get it, it looks like as soon you mention something bad within the church, our brothers in arms are all over us/me.
Have a great Sunday,
cheerio

 

No catter, you and other do-gooders on this forum have been bulling others for far too long with your nonsense, and lack of reasoning, even in the face of facts and evidence that's presented. You constantly claim moral superiority by accusing everyone of being racist or acting in a discriminatory way when these people don't believe in the same ethos you and the other do-gooders believe in. When you are all shown what a bunch of hypocrites you are; you all then just start abusing people for no reason, and even worse, pretend they have a mental disability, because you don't want to admit they are right and you are wrong. This situation has gone on long enough, and now its time we started to fight back against the witch hunter like you and the other do-gooders on this forum.

People like us drove your kind into the shadows before, and its time we did the same thing again. Your kind of immature crap will never silence ME.

 

So cd,
tell us, at what point are people allowed to label another person a racist? Maybe when people act like racists?

http://www.racismnoway.com.au/about-racism/understanding/

You and others did exactly that, on numerous occasions. Why can't I/we speak out what is true?

And by the way, I am rather a dogooder than a racist. You are right there,
regards

 

You are a traitor, a bully and a racist. When you can spare time feeling sorry for the 12,000 refugees being given public housing at tax expense, then you might spare a few moments for these homeless Australia men and women that have no homes, because their homes are given to YOUR refugees. You people make me sick. No wonder Australia is in the mess its in, is because of people like you.

Don't you dare rave on again about how bad Australia's economy is, because are directly facilitating the problem - you have no right.

http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/hundreds-of-homeless-turned-away-daily/ar-AAgfxyC

 

Nothing negative in it, it's just a Warner brothers cartoon reaction. The cheek of what's his name above is simply preposterous. It ceases to amaze me. These people must be writing how they actually think. I don't know about them but you want all peoples to comment and say what they feel, but if others think it's wrong they will be called out and vice versa. No issue, just get on and comment. And toughen the hell up, you are on a on line forum for God's sake.

 

By the way, what's his name always throws in his little strawman. All peoples needs can be catered for but you just can't extrapolate actions for each and every issue.

Aborigines, immigrants, drug dependants and mental health clients make up the biggest percentage of homelessness. Well that will put a spoke in the wheel!

 

Sorry I have not been following this 'exciting' thread

How so? You call people racist who disagree with parts of immigration policy and your surprised when they turn out not to be racist!!! The solution is to stop stereotyping people who disagree with you.

The keeping muslim's out boat policy is your own delusion, so that in part explain's why your confused. The policy is designed to address the problems of illegal people smuggling and its overlap with genuine refugee movement.

 

Your projecting yourself again. Your not saying anything which isn't made obvious by the way you post, in that its who you are and how you see others - but 'newsflash', your guessing and have no real clue about the people you are judging. If you stick to the points instead of the posters - then you might actually participate in a discussion instead of massaging your ego.

 

There is nothing in Christianity supporting child abuse.... which is the direct accusation made by using it as an argument against the violent and socially destructive content of Islam's doctrine. Then m2 posts this calling him a pedo;

http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=433812&p=1065635177#post1065635177

Just in case your one eye is looking up your arse, and you missed the conversation your so happy to pass judgement over others participation within.

 

Disingenuous. Check where your own eye is situated.

NOWHERE does m2catter call him a pedo. Straight out lying on your part.

 

Is that it? Well that ain't too bad of an appraisal! As for the point above, don't put me in the same basket as youself. You come across as all words and no substance! Certainly got to keep the lies out AT, again it looks desperate re: your accusation aimed at M2catter. At the end of the day, we are all here having our say and expressing our ideas and challenging each other at the same time thanks to PF. Continue to go hard I say but don't blatantly lie.

 

That's the risk of inviting the reader to draw there own conclusions which m2 said "I leave that to others to judge". He made the comparison on a person posting styles as being an indication of their opinion about a topic pointing out islam was something he argued against but pedophilia was something he did not.

Instead of constantly attacking the person (all you lefties really have when it comes down to it), why don't you suggest alternative interpretations, after all m2 did invite us to make our own interpretations...... how do you interpret the suggestion if you think I'm wrong?

 

You said:

Show me where m2catter calls him a pedo. He doesn't. He doesn't call him a pedo and you are straight out lying. An inflammatory and trolling lie.

 

That's the risk of inviting the reader to draw there own conclusions which m2 said "I leave that to others to judge". He made the comparison on a person posting styles as being an indication of their opinion about a topic pointing out islam was something he argued against but pedophilia was something he did not.

Instead of constantly attacking the person (all you lefties really have when it comes down to it), why don't you suggest alternative interpretations, after all m2 did invite us to make our own interpretations...... how do you interpret the suggestion if you think I'm wrong?

Sound familiar? I can repeat myself too, but I'll refrain from acting all dramatic about it.

For some people claiming their religion supports pedophilia is inflammatory and trolling too (whic is what m2 did), if you cannot back it up. Without anything to back himself up M2 decided to follow it up by making a vague attempt at victim blaming which he avoided saying outright by 'leaving it up for others to judge'.

Then folk like you come along and do some more victim blaming to support the peeps who agree with on you political issues - its you who are the trolls. M2 made the clear accusation, its called being written between the lines. If he didn't mean it then he can clarify, but that is the risk one takes when they invite others to speak for him.