What are the motives of abortion doctors? Should these affect the abortion debate?

in order to avoid hijacking the texas abortion thread, let's split this into its own discussion. user kazenatsu has an interesting point of view on abortion doctors and their motives:

i, personally, agree that abortion doctors are typically in it for the money rather than out of compassion, but i think that is true of quite a number of medical practitioners and is not specific to abortion, so it lacks significant merit as a critique of legal abortion. but what do you think? do abortion doctors have selfish motives? and if so, should that impact the legality of abortion as a procedure?

 

Are abortion doctors getting richer than other doctors?


If they are there will be more of them

And what motives doctors have for any medical procedure shouldn't affect women's rights....that idea is ridiculous...and so ill-logical I just shake my head at Anti-Choicer's desperation.

 

I suggest that there is a likely different explanation. It's called Eugenics. Lots of the elite democrats believe in it. They use abortion, just like Maragat Sanger intended it to be used, to ensure minority overpopulation is held in check.

 

LOL, the mythical "eugenics program"....

How is that working out ? Are you saying no more black kids are being born? WHAT!!! Really!!!

 

this is actually an interesting question. their salaries, like a lot of doctors, vary pretty heavily. according to one website the median is $97,764, although pay can range up to $500k. in comparison, the median salary for a pediatrician is $223k, for a non-invasive cardiologist it's nearly $600k, and for ob/gyns in general it's $297,601. it's worth noting that these estimates are all from different sources and potentially different dates, but it does seem like other medical specialties could actually earn more.

agreed. and banning abortion would likely lead to even more opportunism and less safety in the procedures performed, as has historically been observed.

 

so you're saying you're in favor of minority overpopulation?

 

I would suggest you broaden your scope of reading to find out about those who run abortion clinics. Although they are an ever shrinking 'business', you'll find those working in them dedicated to women's rights.

 

You stated in the OP, ""i, personally, agree that abortion doctors are typically in it for the money rather than out of compassion,"""


Have you changed your mind?

 

i'm not making any blanket statements here - i think many are certainly dedicated to women's rights.

nope. the fact that they could theoretically make more money elsewhere doesn't inherently mean that their motivations are entirely good and just, otherwise nobody other than elon musk could be considered greedy.

 

What an interesting thing for you to write. Like it was a talking point. Perhaps you can explain what you mean by "minority overpopulation".... I can't wait.

 

you said it first, bestie.

 

I quoted it from the catechism of Eugenics, which you seem to embrace. Do tell. Those are the words of your faith. Profess and be free.

 

1. Our motivations to do anything are actually rather complicated to parse out. There is normally a 'top 5' motivators behind what we do including our choice of employment, that we ourselves have not fully analyzed, expressed, let alone prioritized. We do not know ourselves exactly why we make the choices we do on complex matters.
2. We tend to describe our own motivations to others in simplistic and socially beneficial ways because we do like to look good, and feel good about our decisions.
3. I see no reason for us collectively to engage in supposition and speculation on this particular medical specialty as opposed to any other.
4. I see no reason why clinicians in the abortion field should have to justify their choice or rationale to us collectively any more than a heart surgeon or a general practitioner, or you and I do for that matter, when we go to work each morning. Its actually none of our business unless we are going to see a specific doctor.
5. This is between a patient and her doctor. If she really cares to, she can try to discern the motives of her doctor on her own, or she can just worry about the credentials, reputation, education, ease of access, insurance coverage as higher priorities.

In case I am not clear here. NO. speculation about the broad motivations of an entire medical speciality, should not 'factor into' a govt decision to deny women access to a medical procedure. Its ludicrous.

 

i'm curious where you got the idea that i'm pro-eugenics. the fact that i'm anti-whatever you believe doesn't necessarily mean i'm pro-whatever you're anti-.

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
You stated in the OP, ""i, personally, agree that abortion doctors are typically in it for the money rather than out of compassion,"""


Have you changed your mind?

Well, that's not logical....

What "evil" do you think they are perpetrating by doing LEGAL MEDICAL PROCEDURES THAT WOMEN REQUEST ?

What would be motivating them?




Do you think the women getting the abortions are up to no good, too?:...Are they "evil"?

 

when did i ever use the word evil? and i'm literally pro-choice.

 

I can't wait for a reply to Post # 4

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
You stated in the OP, ""i, personally, agree that abortion doctors are typically in it for the money rather than out of compassion,"""


Have you changed your mind?



Well, that's not logical....

What "evil" do you think they are perpetrating by doing LEGAL MEDICAL PROCEDURES THAT WOMEN REQUEST ?

What would be motivating them?




Do you think the women getting the abortions are up to no good, too?:...Are they "evil"?

LOL, great dodge...

What "not good and not just " things do you think they are perpetrating by doing LEGAL MEDICAL PROCEDURES THAT WOMEN REQUEST ?

What would be motivating them?




Do you think the women getting the abortions are up to no good, too?:..


Do you think all doctors are up to no good ?

 

^ can you please repost the above with formatting that's actually legible?

 

LOL, great dodge...

 

Here's a better unbiased question :What are the motivations of doctors ?

 

like any doctor, it's between the patient and the doctor, not you, I, or the government

 

if the right believed that, they would support it, but even they know that is not true

 

no i'm legitimately happy to respond but i can't even tell where your text begins and ends in that post bc the formatting is so screwed up.

it varies depending on the doctor? btthegreat had a great nuanced breakdown of it earlier in the thread and i can't really improve on that.

 

I think abortion "doctors" believe that murdering an embryo isn't murder. Their level of empathy is very low, for example, they feel no empathy for animals.