What are Y'all Gonna Do Next Month When A Gallon Of Milk Cost $11

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  1. Condor060

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    I vote less government which is Republican
     
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    Nobody made that comparison, try and keep up

    When the idiot crushes oil production to buy foreign oil, yeah, he's to blame.
    Thats how it works

    THe difference would be the US would still be energy independent. Something Biden killed

    :roflol::roflol::roflol::roflol::roflol::roflol::roflol::roflol::roflol:
     
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    So you can't back up your own statement
    You have no clue what you're talking about
    So you continue to spew BS trying to run from your own post.
    Thanks for verifying
     
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    Potatoes are my absolute favourite thing to grow - second only to tomatoes and cucumbers! And good work on the free avocados .. nice. They're never cheap to buy, so that's a big win.

    Lemon pasta sounds delicious. I LOVE lemon in anything, so will definitely give it go. A dollar a serve is about where I try to pitch the family meals, so it hits that mark too.
     
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    None of the policies had any signicance on US oil production or gas prices.

    For starters, the Keystone pipeline would not have been operational until 2024. And opening the Keystone Pipeline XL will not lower them either Pipelines are not the primary mode of transportation of raw crude oil. Try this article from Forbes that explains why gas prices are rising. A little simplistic in my view, but gives mostly political explanation outsife the realm of control of the United States. Bear in mind, Republicans argued that if we lift mandates and lockdowns, everybody will get back to work and back to normal. Now that we have done that, beginning in mid 2020, that is not the case nor was ever the case.
     
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    We had cheap gas because there was no demand. When I traveled I35 from SA to DFW and back, i can set my clock on when and where the clogs would be at certain cities like Austin, Waco, and outside Dallas. During 2020 and half of 2021, there was no such clogs. Later half of 2021 to now, I35 traffic is ever increasing. We have been "open" since mid 2020 and things are still back to normal. Conservatives in 2020 argued that if we open, we would get back to normal "very quickly."
     
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    cause it took awhile for them to reverse course, will take even longer to increase supply
     
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    cause you all seem to think it's not cheaper to produce oil in other countries due to cheaper 3rd world labor costs
     
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    domestic prices are set by the global exchanges, if they were not, are gas prices would not of gone up along with other country's gas prices
     
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    already did, gas is cheaper to produce overseas, and if they produce too much it's hurts US oil companies as the price drops too low for them to make a profit

    it's no secret that 3rd world labor costs are less than the USA
     
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    Its a secret to you. lol
    Again, thank you for verifying you know nothing about global oil prices governed by financial markets.
     
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    lol, that was not what we were talking about, nice try, we were talking about the cost to produce the oil

    but ok, now that you're admitting that, how does American oil make us pay less at the pump, it doesn't cause global oil prices are governed by financial markets

    American oil doesn't mean cheaper oil and we're living through the proof of that, it was a right wing lie
     
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    The OP article literally, quite literally, made the comparison of high gas prices will soon follow $11 for a gallon of milk. More specifcially, the truck driver in said article.

    The President, whether it's Biden, Trump, or anyone else, does not control gas prices or oil production. "Closing" of federal land leases to drill and pump oil has very little effect on the oil futures market. Considering that the price of crude oil has jumped signiciantly from June 2020 to today because demand has increased shows your argument to be fallacy. What has caused gas prices to increase is the folloowing: consumer demand, refinerines have not been able to keep up, and and energy markets around the world are in a crunch. Furthermore, if we look at the graph of crude oil prices on a monthly index beginning in January 2020, we can see beginning in October 2020, the price per barrel began to go up. In fact, an econometric graph would show from October 2020 to February 2022, that the price per barrel was averaging about 18% or so. Furthermore, if we look at the prices from April 2020 to February 2022, we see a steadfast increase over a period of time. Considering Trump was President until January 2021, based on your logic, then Trump should also be at fault for the increase in oil prices. But as a modern conservative, you will say no and only blame democrats for some other excuse. Predictable and illogical.


    In addition, the only idiots I see are so called conservatives who know nothing how the US economy truly works or the inputs and contraints that are in place, mostly by the big corporations so that price and profit stability is the goal from one quarter to the next. This is not a argument criticizing major corporations, but the fact that they are the ones who control supply, demand, and price based on their short term goals. No collusion, but it's how our economy has worked since the late 1970s.

    The US is still energy independent. We have been energy independent since 2016 or so. Being energy independent DOES not mean that we do not import oil from various countries. To define energy independence, our total energy output from all sources, including renewables, outweighs our total consumption. It is not defined in a myopic way of only fossil fuels. And fossil fuels has a limited source, eventually, it will run out or become too costly to achieve like in the deeper oceans of depths greater than 2000 feet. All offshore production in the United States is still well within the continental shelf or ocean depths of less than 600 feet. Any new technology would make not only production costs go up, but the price as well, assuming everything else is equal.

    Finally, standard of living is a hodgepodge of a variety of factors, including but not limited to wealth, goods, comfort, and necessities. I take it you have not traveled personally internationally yourself, have you? Probably get your info from YT or some other social media site. It is not the same until to truly experience it yourself, first hand, without the judgmental attitude. Singapore has a high standard of living, so does Germany, UK, Japan, parts of China, and so forth.
     

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    Dude, OPEC is gouging us. The Biden Administration with its asinine stance against oil drilling and exploration in the US is gouging us.
     
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    Dude, oil is a global demand, not a regional or country demand. OPEC countries account very little of our total imports. Canada is our biggest importer, over 50%, followed by Mexico, then a distant third Saudia Arabia.

    https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/pet_move_impcus_a2_nus_ep00_im0_mbbl_m.htm

    Above data is all oil imports from all countries into the United States. OPEC as a whole, is still third on the list compared to Mexico, Canada, and even Russia, before the bloody war started.
     
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    yep Dude, US oil companies use the global price to set their price, energy independence does not equal cheaper gas at the pump, something the right fails to mention

    if there is a shortage of cheap foreign oil, we charge more, even though we have enough that we are still exporting oil as we are today
     
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    Why don't you tell the morons at the Biden Administration in the US that oil is in global demand?? The moron members of the EU??
     
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    I don't drink milk.


    Cow milk now gives me too much gas, anyways, to be worth it. But, even if it didn't, homogenized milk (which cow milk almost always is) causes scarring of the arteries, because of an enzyme which is released, when the fat globules are broken apart. Scarring, that is, damage to the inner walls of blood vessels, is what causes cholesterol, which otherwise would normally flow with one's blood (our own bodies produce cholesterol), to attach itself to the artery walls, to prevent rupture. This is the basic mechanism, behind coronary artery disease. So, in other words, if milk gets too expensive for most to buy, it would be one of the most positive of health steps, for the nation, to cut back on or completely give up milk.
     
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    TMI
     
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    Yet YOU said
    Maybe pay a bit more attention to what you post

    Nobody claimed they control gas prices. But he can effect them. Which he did by restricting our own production in a market that is trying to catch up.

    We are not currently energy independent. Not even close. The way we became energy independent for the first time in 70 years is Trump deregulated a huge part of the industry allowing them to produce more oil than ever before. Biden reversed all of those the day he came into office in the worse time possible while the US is coming out of a pandemic. We were the largest oil and gas provider globally under Trump and Biden killed that as well.
    You really should get out more

    lol, OMG dude. We have an abundance of oil. Enough to last the next 200 years. Total global oil reserves are estimated at 2,092 billion barrels, or 70 times the current production rate of about 30 billion barrels of oil a year. And thats without additional drilling and the United States now holds the world’s largest recoverable oil reserve base, more than Saudi Arabia or Russia.
     
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    Not your decision to take.

    Best milk is whole milk straight out of the cooling tank on the family farm.
     
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    Still trying to deflect huh. You claimed when cheap foreign oil floods the US markets prices will come down.
    Then you ran from that statement 7 times because you couldn't tell me where this cheap foreign oil was coming from or its prices.
    The reason you couldn't provide it is because it doesn't exist. Oil prices are controlled by the markets. Not production cost.
    But you didn't know that (obviously)
    Now you're flip flopping because you got embarrassed.
    You have no clue what you're talking about.

    Trump deregulated the oil industry in the US and we became the largest exporter of oil on the planet making US energy independent for the first time in 70 years.
    Gas prices under Trump hit $180 a gallon and nothing you can post changes that. In fact hit was going down even further which could have collapsed the markets which is why Trump needed all producers to start cutting back. But thats obviously way way over your head from the post you provided.

    Biden reversed every deregulation Trump put in place cutting our own production to the point we have DOUBLED our foreign oil purchases which drives prices up. Which is why gas in now 3 times the price in just one year under Biden.
     
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    Well if that is unhomogenized, then my comments would not apply (except for my gas). Do you Pasteurize first (as I would guess) before homogenizing; or do you need to homogenize first, so that the milkfat doesn't clog the pipes?

    BTW, I never implied that it was my "decision to take," for others. I was only passing on info that is not general knowledge, though it should be.
     
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    HA!

    That's hilarious, considering the amount of bills being passed in red states that do the exact opposite.
     
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    You thought bills meant bigger government?
    Interesting
     
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