Do they? Okay, but not me. I have addressed it directly with you multiple times in this very thread over the past two years.
I see you're confused and think that Planned Parenthood is some kind of universal law when in REALITY it has nothing to do with it...
FoxHastings said: ↑ BUT YOU DIDN'T LOL You said : chris155au said: ↑ It's not my fault that you cannot remember two years worth of conversation in this thread. If you want, I can track down all of the posts.""" LOL BUT YOU DIDN'T because they are not there
I'm simply saying that Planned Parenthood have a vested interest in women believing that what is being killed is just a clump of cells.
You and I have engaged in abortion debate across multiple threads over the years, so it's possible that it was a different thread and it may have been so long ago that I can just about forgive you for forgetting, so here it is: all rights have limits. It is unfortunate, but I believe that a woman's rights supersede a fetus's rights in the case of rape.
Why in the case of rape ? The fetus didn't rape her.... You have NOT answered: Explain why you think a fetus due to rape can be killed but not one due to consensual sex ???? ...and I don't think your posts were important enough to memorize
Because the burden on the woman would be too much I believe. Wow, I really didn't expect you to forget quite THAT quickly. Here it is again: all rights have limits. It is unfortunate, but I believe that a woman's rights supersede a fetus's rights in the case of rape.
I believe that any fetus is innocent in the case of rape. I also believe that the raped are innocent in the case of rape. If a raped woman has a kid, she should not be responsible for raising that kid unless she chooses to do so. But just killing the product of the crime is like throwing a sack of puppies off a bridge. Off topic, but most rapists are men. Not all but most, some rapists are women. About half the victims of rape are also men, and usually men that are incarcerated.
What burden? As YOU have claimed pregnancy is just NATURE and abortion is murder.....why would abortion change in the case of rape ?? Why? Why would a fetus lose rights (which it doesn't have anyway) because it was a product of rape??
The burden of having to live with the rape. For the third time, I believe that a woman's rights supersede a fetus's rights in the case of rape.
As YOU have claimed pregnancy is just NATURE and abortion is murder.....why would abortion change in the case of rape ?? How ? Why? Anti-Choicers believe a fetuses rights supercedes a woman's anyway which is allegedly why they oppose abortion........why is it different for rape. An abortion due to rape is the same procedure and same outcome as an abortion due to consensual sex. A fetus is killed...what Anti-Choicers call "murder" of an "innocent life" ....why would it NOT be "murder" if the fetus was due to rape?????????? The FETUS isn't guilty of a crime....
It's only murder if an individual has the right to life. I don't believe that the right to life exists for a fetus resulting from rape.
FoxHastings said: ↑ As YOU have claimed pregnancy is just NATURE and abortion is murder.....why would abortion change in the case of rape ?? How ? Why? Anti-Choicers believe a fetuses rights supercedes a woman's anyway which is allegedly why they oppose abortion........why is it different for rape. An abortion due to rape is the same procedure and same outcome as an abortion due to consensual sex. A fetus is killed...what Anti-Choicers call "murder" of an "innocent life" ....why would it NOT be "murder" if the fetus was due to rape?????????? The FETUS isn't guilty of a crime.... LOL, so a fetus loses rights because of something someone else did ? How hilariously illogical... Just as ridiculously illogical as a woman losing her rights because she became pregnant. Fun pointing out how illogical Anti-Choicers are....and easy...
It's not a matter of losing rights, but rather the woman's rights outweighing the rights of the fetus. Which rights does she lose?
Squirming. YOU POSTED : chris155au said: ↑ It's only murder if an individual has the right to life. I don't believe that the right to life exists for a fetus resulting from rape."" That is NOT ""the woman's rights outweighing the rights of the fetus.""" So a fetus loses rights because of something someone else did ? That was UNanswered OMGAWD....an entire forum on abortion and you still don't know what rights women lose when they lose the right to their own body....chris, they lose the right to drive a car...no really
I don't think of it as the fetus losing rights, but rather the rights of the woman outweighing the rights of the fetus. It's YOUR opinion that women lose the right to their own body with the banning of elective abortion.
FoxHastings said: ↑ That is NOT ""the woman's rights outweighing the rights of the fetus.""" So a fetus loses rights because of something someone else did ? WHY? WHY in this circumstance does the woman's right outweigh that of the fetus ....and who says besides you? It's not an opinion and YOU are trying desperately to change the subject. HOW are fetuses due to rape different from those due to consensual sex? WHY aren't THEY "precious life" ? Why is one "murder" and the other not when it's the SAME THING.?
Some people sure ask a lot of stupid questions. Everyone has equal rights. The man's rights are equal to the woman's rights, the woman's rights are equal to the man's rights, and the fetus's rights are equal to one half the sum of the man's rights and the woman's rights. Then FoxHastings wants to say if the woman can't kill the fetus then the fetus is demanding more rights than the woman. Maybe FoxHastings could stop being so inconsistent if she got her stuff together and accepted the science, but the science is an inconvienience to her steadfast desire to get knocked up and the murder the kid, so she won't do that.
My goodness you have a bad memory. I'll give you a clue: it has to do with a word beginning with 'B.' Of course it's an opinion. They're not. It's hard to think of them as "precious" given that they are the result of an evil crime. That's MY opinion. There's that bad memory again. Answered in #4664.
That's interesting. The atheist crowd is always going on about how "God ordered <insert atrocity here> ", and they blame the so called atrocity on God for "ordering it", rather than the humans that fouled it up. It's like who killed Jesus. Well the Romans carried it out, but it was the Jews that condemned Him.
WHY ? What has it done to have it's rights (rights only in your opinion) taken away ??? Has it committed a crime?
You’re asking the wrong questions. The REAL questions are “does the woman who was raped and is now pregnant with the rapists “baby” want it, and if not, is the stage of pregnancy within the time prior to the development of the central nervous system and the ability to feel pain?” If she wants an abortion the the fetus is not developed enough to feel pain, then NO ONE should object to her getting an abortion. Right here in this thread the opinion survey shows that 65% of posters say if it’s within the first trimester, abortion is ok, and only 6.4% say abortion should be banned in ALL circumstances. So, do you prefer democracy or dictatorship? (Personally I think the whole issue should only be a question between the woman and her doctor with no limits imposed.)
