What are your views on abortion?

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Which best describes your view on abortion

  1. A woman has the right to choose to get an abortion with no limitations.

    41 vote(s)
    47.7%
  2. Abortion should be illegal after the first trimester

    16 vote(s)
    18.6%
  3. Abortion should be illegal except to preserve the health and life of the mother.

    24 vote(s)
    27.9%
  4. Abortion should be illegal in all circumstances.

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    5.8%
  1. chris155au

    chris155au Well-Known Member

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    Any evidence for this?
     
  2. chris155au

    chris155au Well-Known Member

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    What other conversations should the government not intervene in? A conversation between a woman, and who else? Either you have a blanket rule, or you make an exemption for conversations between women and doctors. If so, why the exemption?
     
  3. chris155au

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    Oh yeah, he REALLY got me! :roflol:
     
  4. FoxHastings

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    Why?


    Post 4796

    Post 4793
     
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  5. chris155au

    chris155au Well-Known Member

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    Why what?
     
  6. Ritter

    Ritter Well-Known Member

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    This is completely irrelevant to the topic.
     
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    LOL, the old ""Huh , wha...I don't know what you mean " DODGE

    You said , ""Abortion does however become a medical necessity if it is required in order to save a woman's life. And I of course am fine with abortion in those thankfully super rare cases."""

    And, AGAIN, I asked why ...isn't it still "murdering a baaaaaaaby " ???


    and Post 4796
    and
    Post 4793 are ones you "missed" ;)
     
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  8. chris155au

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    Because of the definition of "murder." It IS killing a baby. But it's not murdering them.

    Posts #4606 and #4604 are ones that YOU missed.
     
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    No it's not. You seem to think that there is something sacred about a conversation between a woman and her doctor. Yet you have not explained why.
     
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    This isn't a question today.

    And individual's healthcare is held in confidence by healthcare providers.

    A lawyer has similar restrictions - subject to being disbarred.

    You are going random again.
     
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    LOL, you think YOU will change the definition of murder and think it will change depending on how a fetus was conceived ???!!! HILARIOUS

    YOU THINK that if a fetus due to rape lives and is born it can be killed and it won't be murder ?!!!

    LOLOLOLOLOL


    :) Duck and dodge, duck and dodge...your favorite game to avoid Post 4796
    and
    Post 4793 the ones you "missed" ;).....and can't address ...
     
  12. chris155au

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    You are totally confused. You quoted me:
    So as you can see, this was about abortion being a medical necessity if it is required in order to save a woman's life. Obviously you forgot pretty quickly, and thought that it was about rape. Now you know that you were mistaken.

    Duck and dodge, duck and dodge...your favorite game to avoid Posts
    #4606 and #4604 - the ones you "missed" ;).....and can't address.
     
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    But abortion is not healthcare.
     
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    Is it your position that they can discuss literally ANYTHING?
     
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    Despite all your ducking and dodging this is a fact:
    FoxHastings said:
    LOL, you think YOU will change the definition of murder and think it will change depending on how a fetus was conceived ???!!! HILARIOUS

    THAT MEANS :

    YOU THINK that if a fetus due to rape lives and is born it can be killed and it won't be murder ?!!!



    YOU SAID REPEATEDLY YOU'D MAKE AN EXCEPTION FOR RAPE SO

    YOU THINK that if a fetus due to rape lives and is born it can be killed and it won't be murder ?!!!
    afterall , you think a fetus due to consensual sex is a person with rights that can't be killed.......sorry you can't follow the logic...it is difficult since you haven't any...:)
     
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    Why not? It's done by a doctor....

    It IS healthcare...
     
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    Again, you responded to me by quoting me talking about abortion in cases where the woman's life is at risk. You're still confused.
     
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    Lookup the definition of "healthcare." Then you SHOULD see why abortion is not healthcare. You SHOULD, but I guess there's no guarantee that you'll understand.
     
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    It actually is completely unrelated and it is very obvious what you are trying to do here and I am not going to play that game with you.

    Also, if you need to ask why what happens between patient and doctor is a private matter, you once again expose yourself as the authoritarian that you are.
     
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    Definitely.
     
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    healthcare
    noun(also health care)
    /ˈhɛlθkɛr/
    [uncountable]

    the service of providing medical care
    - oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com
     
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    If your argument is that a ZEF is a person with rights, intentionally terminating their life is by definition murder.
     
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    This is false.

    There are numerous situations where termination of a pregnancy is an important part of healthcare.

    By making abortion illegal, doctors are actually being driven out of OB/GYN, because they can't risk their existence as a doctor on the chance that some prosecutor will assault them for a medical decision they make.
     
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    I believe that a woman should have the right to have an abortion at any time and no limitations. Why are there so many governments out there trying to ban abortions in this country anyway. I think it is a Trump influence on rights. They want to ban all abortions make illegal to do so and it goes for rape, incest and whatever. Could you imagine a child finding the mother and father is actually brother and sister? Some serial rapist is a father that is just a night stand and the child has the genes to repeat what his unknown father has done? This would be putting women in their place in the home doing housework or in bed resulting in motherhood. It just isn't right is it? If things were to go the (Trump) Republican way, We'd have things the way things were many many years ago. I can't mention all that could happen in the process but I'll stop here for now. That's all I'm going to say.
     
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    There is no way for a legislature to write a law that defines when a woman's life is at enough risk that abortion is legal.

    Also, it isn't just the woman's life. It may also the fetus that is in trouble. How deformed does a fetus have to be before termination is a better moral choice? How long does a woman have to carry a fetus that will die before birth? We've seen cases where a woman with a deceased fetus was refused abortion - a dangerous situation.

    There are numerous healthcare issues that are involved.

    Legislatures are NOT doctors, and doctors ARE choosing to refuse to give care due to the risk of prosecutors second guessing medical decisions in light of laws as written.
     
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