What Don't You Like About The Gay Community?

I dislike the Rosie O'Donnell of 2015 because I saw her latest HBO standup (swearing and revealing her poor mothering habits).
When I first encoutered her on Standup Spotlight I liked her. She was the host and it was months before I saw her do an actual comedy routine. It was an Elvis routine, clean and funny.
I didn't see that dirty movie she was in until last year. I don't think anyone watched that to see her and she slimmed down enough to look great, but not to compete with the actresses and extras she was surrounded by.
I wanted to see Ellen's Mr. Wrong because I had seen the comedy routine it was built from. When that movie flopped it was clear she wasn't going to star in romantic comedies for 20 years.
In small spurts I came across articles about Rosie and realized we were about the same age and grew up much the same way: watching tv all evening and having limited interaction with other children and a declining homelife as well.
Our similarities started to divide after age 10 when I started going outside after school and she apparently stayed inside memorizing every song on the radio until the primetime shows came on.
Still in the early 90s we could have become a happy couple. Even now we could be on opposing sides of some form of trivia show.
Rosie can sing well too, but her singing won't sell albums and she's missed her chance to do song parodies for a living.
I know she played Rizzo on Broadway but that part is not cast on vocal ability.
When her daytime show aired she still had made no announcements but my grandmother figured it out. I watched often the first several months, lost interest because the guests were boring, then had to watch again when my grandmother suffered with her final illness while also severely hard of hearing.
No matter what she did after 1996, she'd always be associated with that horrible memory, just as a certain old man who won't go away or die is connected to another.

 

Okay that doesn't really make any sense.

What makes you say they aren't really gay? What is the reasoning behind that?

 

I lost my virginity much later than most. I also disliked pizza immediately at first sight, so one day when an employer provided pizza and it tasted terrible I realized that I had now eaten pizza and experienced intercourse exactly the same number of times, and in both cases the third time was best.
If a young lady has terrible sex twice with a man and the third time with a woman is better, she might convert.
Religion, family reaction and a weak stomach would be a problem for me but not for most. If my third time was with a man who cooked, cleaned and was an expert on 1970s trivia, I might have wanted him as a roommate.

 

So if they find themselves attracted to the same sex in that scenario they aren't really gay? Explain?

My reasoning says if they are attracted mostly to the same sex they are gay. The discovery isn't really relevant.

 

I agree, but was Rosie attracted to girls at age 13 or the first time a girl made her happy?
Anne Heche (presumably Ellen's first lover) always insisted she was never gay.
"I just fell in love with Ellen."
That I can believe.
What is curious is how many people fall in love with a person they most want to have sex with.
I challenge that "love" every time and divorce statistics heavily endorse my position.

 

I think the only way somebody can make you happy is if you are at least somewhat attracted to them. You ate trying to put the wagons in front of the horses.

And?

 

At age 5 I wanted to kiss and hang around with pretty girls because they were pretty girls.
At age 16 I fell in love with a specific girl who was not considered pretty by most. She rejected me and never spoke to me again, but that's irrelevant. I remained attracted to pretty girls I didn't love.
My wife was the11th woman I fell in love with, not the prettiest or homeliest or even most compatible, not even the one I loved most, but after fumbling away so many opportunities I couldn't stand one more failure so I married her.
I don't know how desperate I would have had to get to consider a man, but everyone has their threshold.
This thread is about dislike of gays and here I can add one detail.
They try to inflate their numbers by outing every suspect, including married people with many children and people dead for centuries. To have any credibility in this you need to admit that throughout history most gays married and reproduced several times.
We know many married people do not take their wedding vows seriously and you would have to accept the reality those gays long ago did much better in that regard.
Yes, I'll confess. If I'd met Rosie in 1992 I might have married her just for lively discussions about 1970s tv shows.
On Tsu.co and Facebook you can find my 12-part documentary script for tv in the 70s and 10-part script for films of the 70s, both written without checking any sources outside my own brain.

 

So you don't think other people are like that?

Do they? You just said you don't know where yours is, but you know it's there? How do you know that threshold exists?

Why not a man?

Not interested.

 

If you want to state the position that everyone is born bisexual but most never know because a straight experience satisfies them early in life or a gay experience usually some years later in life I might agree (for what that's worth), but you then have to accept the fact that means all gays could have lived straight if certain things happened in a different sequence.
Love is a very different matter, but another lengthy essay. For now let me ask a simple question.
Can you think of one woman's face that you would consider attractive if it was on a man?

 

I don't care that people don't like gays... but they darned sure better not try to hurt or dehumanize them. At that point, they deserve all the negativity that comes their way.

 

That is not my position. Not in the least. I believe sexual experiences are informed by orientation not the other way around.

I find the "everyone is bisexual" position to have absolutely no reasonable or logical support. Further it's typically politically fueled. So it's authenticity is extremely suspect.

Without really thinking about it no. But I do find women somewhat physically attractive and where I identify myself as homosexual, I'm not 100% I don't think many people are 100% hetero or homo. I don't think sexuality exists in such black and white terms.

 

I have a personal policy of only responding to one post at a time and the other reply seemed more immediate, but for me all posts I make in any thread are progressive and sometimes I can work them to intersect.
I really like Arnold and want to discuss political correctness from its earliest roots: Son of Dracula.
In Son of Dracula the undead count marries a living southerner who wants to be called undead instead of vampire but calls grown black men boys because her political correctness does not extend across racial lines.
If gays are now allowed to marry their favorite sex partner (a privilege some others are denied) then undead zombies and undead vampires, if able to say I do should also be permitted to marry living persons (or other undead ones too).
Please note that no law ever denied a homosexual the right to marry a person of the opposite sex, so this is a special right.
I've posted previously that it is not gay marriage that is permitted now but same-sex marriage, meaning heterosexuals with no intention of ever consummating can also marry (for tax or business reasons perhaps). i don't think wedding vows are legally enforceable and few people take "forsaking all others" seriously anyway, but if the line was omitted it could still be understood someone might seek gratification elsewhere.
When I posted that years ago, people insisted the government would require a test to prove two men attempting to marry were gay and send inspectors to make sure they're having sex.
I wish an inspector would pay my wife a visit.

 

Yeah, that saying is a bit trite and overused. Furthermore, it is an insult to those that are bisexual, truthfully and honestly. My ex was bisexual and he would just cringe when he would hear people say that.

 

The idea behind it is that sexuality is a choice. But it is an impossible claim to prove. It's more about emotion than it is about knowledge.

 

And unfortunately for some, they lack both.

 

I find the people who insist sexual orientation is a choice do so completely out of self centered emotion.

 

Perhaps, but I think they also do it out of the fact that they do not really, truly know anyone that is gay. I had a friend in Virginia that stated he was able to get someone to change their orientation.... Talk about long, drawn out debates. I told he could certainly have helped, but it would only mean that it was a gay guy with his beard (woman).

 

I spent many years trying to change my orientation. It cost me my youth. There was no hope that it could. I'm not saying that all people can't, just that I spent 20 years bargaining with God, to no avail. When I accepted it serenity took over.

I don't blame anybody fire the time I wasted, it was me who couldn't accept it, but I find the people that think about changing homosexuals to heterosexuals often have demons if their own. They are looking for a cure. I was there.

 

That's unexpected. Does that mean that's not a contemporary photo of you in the avatar?
did a woman ever love you, other than lusting?
Also I had no idea when you mentioned thresholds that a lot of people claimed all were bisexual. Who said it first Oscar Wilde?

In life we have to do unpleasant things (get shots, dental work, defecate). For gays that list always included marrying the opposite sex and reproducing a few times.
I'm might be one of the truest homophobes (real fear) because when a gay touches me I feel uncomfortable.David Ciccilini has 2 other bad characteristics, so when he shook my hand suddenly at the laundramat during his first congressional campaign, I felt dirtier than the laundry.

 

LMAO. Really? Dude, like the picture in my avatar is really of me in an animated form.

 

No, my avatar is not. Several women in fact still love me to this day, and I love them. But there is a big difference between love and romantic relationship.

It isn't a realistic claim. How would anybody ever know that?

I don't know that I'd find it all that unpleasant. But than again I may register on the bisexual spectrum. I could never marry a woman. I find that cruel.

You may have some feelings you need to confront.