What drives people to ignore the evidence of Christ?

The Disciples SAY they "spent some time with Jesus before he ascended into Heaven". Why should we believe them.


Though Jesus may have been a historical personage...the "evidence" is not conclusive. It basically consists of only two things-

1. The writings of the Disciples....who clearly had an agenda, which either was inspired by the teachings of Jesus (or teachings they ascribed to "a Jesus") and their religious zealotry. Outside of what was then a small group of men, barely a cult, there were no other witnesses or historical writings of a contemporaneous nature. No "criminal record" kept by the Romans under Pilate. Nor "minutes of the meeting" by the Sanhedrin.

2. Later historical writings by non-partisans (i.e. Romans)...but whcih date to AFTER the start of the evangelism of the Disciples and Paul....so they are not "real time" accounts of the existance of Jesus.

If YouLie has some other evidence...love to see it.

 

Ever played that game as a kid where you whisper into another kid's ear, and then they repeat it to another person, and so on for a few minutes...and the final result is usually not at all what was originally said? Imagine doing that for SEVENTY YEARS, and you'd end up with the Bible!

Since Satan only killed 10 people in the Bible, and god killed 240,000 TIMES that many, maybe the original way was that SATAN was the good guy, and "god" was the bad guy (only bad guys kill 2.4 million people) and it got twisted around over all those years of verbal re-telling! Sure would explain a whole lot!

 

As I said above....one good non-biased proof of the actual existance of Jesus (not the Resurrection of course)....would have been some Roman record kept by the chorniclers who worked for Pontus Pilate of a "conviction and crucifixion of a self-described 'messiah' named Yeshua bin-Yusef, called 'Christ' by his followers, a carpenter by trade of the town of Nazareth"

Naturally, no such record exists.

 

A four letter word...rhymes with "rear", and starts with the letter after "E" in the alphabet. It's that simple.

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Gorn, I'm far more impressed with you than I am with Jesus.

[Uh, if "that's not saying much, Dickweed" is what you're thinking, then I apologize, since that's not how I meant to phrase it ]

 

Oh, well, actually I AM Jesus. I just get bored in Heaven and love to come on Religious blogs and argue against my own existance and religious following.

 

Evidence?

Even if Jesus was a real man what evidence is there that he was resurrected? Eyewitness accounts? Written by whom and when?

You are revealing something I came to realize a long time ago. Christians don't have faith in Jesus, they have faith in the people who tell them to have faith in Jesus.

 

If I was a Christian on this forum I'd simply summon my invisible super-hero and have HIM explain it to Gorn telepathically, like he allegedly can do. Much more convincing. Why don't they request that? Because he's abandoned them.

 

nobody who knew or met Jesus, ever wrote a word about him.

 

Brilliant.
Trusting people who accepted slavery is not a great idea.

 

people claim to have seen all kinds of things.

its very possible that Paul LIED.

 

I KNEW IT!
Welcome to the forum, Jesus. Please go to the Introduction Thread and introduce yourself. I believe "author/savior" is your job description?

Let me ask you, though. With all the innocent gays being harmed over the centuries because of the best-seller about YOU, why were you so silent all these years (you could have prevented it)? Is it because you are immoral, Jesus, or is it that you're not really loving like the best-seller claims? Wait....no wife....no girl-friend....no kids....no sexual desires expressed....hung around with TWELVE GUYS....never spoke out against the obvious crime of killing gays....OK, JESUS, I THINK I KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON!

P.S. just a little friendly advice: don't engage with that nasty forum member named "crank" as her use of these things they refer to as "logic" and "reason" will make you look like a real fool.

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Like Mohammad, like Joseph Smith, like the proponents of Krishna, or Zeus, etc.

 

People never EVER lie to achieve power and status!

 

FAITH, that's evidence, right? Right?

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If jesus had half a brain, he would have just said to his disciples "hey, one of your guys write all this s___ down, trust me."

But he was too stupid to even do that.

 

"What drives people to ignore the evidence of Christ?" THE SAME THING THAT DRIVES THEM TO IGNORE THE "EVIDENCE" FOR ALLAH, AND FOR THE SAI BABA, AND FOR DAVID KORESH, AND FOR BAGWAN SHREE RAJNISH, AND FOR ALL OTHER CULT LEADERS' DIVINITY.

 

I reject Jesus for the same reason I reject Muhammed, the Bodhisatfa, Buddha, Santa Claus, the Loch Ness Monster, and the Incredible Hulk: because they are all fantasy.

 

Well, yes, true (all but Santa of course.)

What about Narnia, and Middle Earth, and Neverland, as they seem to make a little bit more sense than "heaven" and "hell"?

 

What eyewitnesses? How do you know that they existed?

Using the Bible to prove the Bible isn't actual evidence.

 

5 pages of this thread.

And the OP has yet to post any evidence that Jesus called the Christ ever existed, or that he was resurrected.

Rather than ask us why we don't believe the evidence- why don't you show us what evidence you believe we should believe?

 

extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - but you gotta question the merit of a being who sat back for over 100,000 years as humans died from war, famine, disease, and what not and decides the best way to save them would be via human-sacrifice in the most primitive part of the Middle East in ancient Palestine instead of, say, a literate part of the world like China

 

Do you really believe he never existed? Do you realize not one ancient historian would stake their academic reputation on that? That is the most absurd thing you could bring to this discussion. It really makes you sound like you're an alien from another planet.

 

Wikipedia too rookie for you smart people?

"Virtually all modern scholars of antiquity agree that Jesus existed, and most biblical scholars and classical historians see the theories of his non-existence as effectively refuted."

 

meantime .....

gay jesus + heretic

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hey there, YL

as you will have noticed, most of us either don't or don't care to refute the existence of gay jesus. so what's your prob?

 

sure, I'll give you that Jesus existed.

but he certainly did no miracles, come back from the dead, or was the Messiah or son of God.

that's the thing of comic books and Disney movies.

 

So he might have EXISTED? So what? I know of a monkey that existed, but that doesn't mean that I abandon my logic and common sense to worship a chimp. The magic resurrection still didn't happen. Jesus can't even prove that he's divine to most people. Most people are not Christians.

Speaking of "smart", is it smart to call people "You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?" like a certain zombie that I know of allegedly did? Or should a person be more loving than that?

Matt 23:33

 

Ronstar seems to refute the silliness of religion in his/her posts in the FEWEST words of any poster I've ever seen. Economical writing, I'm impressed.

The "miracle" is that so many people believe that a person who accepted slavery and the beating of slaves is the greatest person of all time! Right up there with the belief that the 2nd most revered person of all time (Mohammad) is a pedophile, and his followers have no problem whatsoever with that! Sick.