What drives people to ignore the evidence of Christ?

I've read Strobel. Perfect opportunist that saw a very easy market and has exploited it to its fullest, with follow up books, videos, study versions.
Not the first guy to see the easy pickings in a very undiscerning market.

 

But that could never be true of Dawkins, etc., huh? How do you know he even makes more money now than when he was an editor for the Chicago Tribune? The fallacy known as 'nothing buttery' at work.

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I know you think that.

I'm still waiting for someone to refute my Simon Greenleaf post, unless you all think he can be ignored because he lived way back in the 1800s. By that standard, Plato and Socrates must really be dopes.

/Sarcasm off

 

Greenleaf provided no new evidence and his analysis of the evidence was prejudiced. Why don't you solicit a study, remove religious references and see how many people would believe that a person rose from the dead based on some very old second hand accounts filled with other fanciful feats. I don't think you will find a high rate of acceptance.

 

where are the miracles????????

 

And today's atheists have no arguments different from the tired old ones of centuries ago.

Cite? Are you saying that just because of his conclusion?

Of course not, the 'religious references' are what it's all about.

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In the Bible.

 

IMO, nothing drives people to ignore evidence. Most conclude the evidence is circumstantial at best and derived from a single source.
What makes the bible any more authoritative over the koran, judaism book of life, hindu texts, buddah teachings, or any other religious teachings or books.

 

Being a prolific best selling author pays quantum amounts more than being a newspaper editor.
What does Dawkins have to do with this unless you are conceding Strobel to be an opportunist and are seeking to show Dawkins to be one to ease that misery with company?

 

There has been a ridiculous growth in the amount of evidence against scripture and for alternate theories for the diversity of life, cosmos and the existence of life.

No, I am saying Greenleaf had reached a decision before considering the evidence. He had prejudged or was prejudiced. He is not a good jurist.

So you don't think you could get people to buy this hokum absent of their religious biases? Obviously not, and as obvious, it is because it's not believable and does not meet most people's standards as valid evidence.

 

But where are the miracles in real life?

 

Did you refuse to read Simon Greenleaf because he converted? Why bother discussing any of this with us knuckle-dragging Christians here then?

 

You may have a point when your best example didn't have the benefit of 150 years of biblical scholarship.

 

The Jews have ignored Jesus because the Christians erroneously taught that he was the messiah ben David, which requires,by scripture, a whole different range of accomplishments to have followed than is evidenced even now.
Their resistance is founded upon a sincere and knowledgeable scriptural basis.

 

Hmmm,...

The BEST two witnesses for the Gospels as the account we can pretty much accept for what it is would be the house of Jacob and the House of Judah which included references to Jesus and Mary and the whole event of 32AD in their Talmud.

They Jews were rather disrespectful in setting down their reactions to what occurred, to the point that by the 17th century, they realized that the gentile Christians surrounding them had been reading what was said, and could (and did) come back to bite them.
They redacted the specific references to Jesus and Mary and Christian apostles, while retaining the same derogatory remarks still found there today.

So we can see that the Jews support the events recorded in 32AD.


Rev. 11:7 And when they, (the House of Jacob, i.e.; the Jew when his service of God requires toil, struggle and effort i.e.; "servants", , and the House of Judah, i.e.; the Jew when his service of God is pleasurable and natural, i.e.; "children", the two witnesses), shall have finished their testimony (against their own suffering messiah), the (seven headed) beast (of Western civilization) that (had) ascendeth out of the bottomless pit (in The Renaissance) shall make (secular) war against them, (these Jews of the diaspora), and shall overcome them (in 1942), and kill them (with gas and starvation and brutalities).

 

King James Bible
And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

 

The reality is although Roman Records which were meticulous....provide proof that Jesus existed....there does not exist any actual scientific proof he was the Son of a GOD.

AboveAlpha

 

Followed by:

Rev. 11:8 And, ([the house of Jacob] and the house of Judah), their dead bodies shall lie in the street (of Nazi Paganism) of the great city (which is the tenth horn of Western Civilization), which spiritually (in its philosophical outlook) is called Sodom, (i.e.; a place practicing pagan sexual license and libidinal excess) and (that ancient place of Jew trust in the shadow of) Egypt, (the time of their confusion: [Isa. 30:2-3]: Egypt, the land of both their beloved Joseph and also, their slavery), where, (in their blindness of scriptural truth) also our Lord was crucified (among them in 32 AD).

Rev. 11:9 And they of the (the gentile) people and kindreds and tongues (in the lands of the Jewish dispersion, from the time of the beginning of the construction of the abomination of the Dome of the Rock in 688AD until 1948, i.e., 1260 years) among them, (during the Diaspora), and nations (both) shall see their dead bodies (in Concentration Camps) three days (of years, i.e.; 1260) and an half, (1942-1945), and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves (but disposed of in the Crematoriums).


Rev. 11:10 And they that dwell upon the earth, (in Nazi Western Europe), shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send (supposed Christian seasonal) gifts one to another; because these two prophets, (the holy people of the book), tormented them that dwelt on the earth.


Ezek 36:24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.
Ezek 36:28 And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.


Rev. 11:11 And after (the Holocaust), three and an half days (of years), the Spirit of life from God entered into them, (the House of Jacob and the House of Judah), and they stood upon their feet (in the land Promised); and great fear fell upon them (in Islam) which saw them, (the prophecy of the Fig Tree, blooming, Hosea 9:10, was fulfilled: [Matt 24:32].

Rev. 11:12 And (the survivors), they (collectively) heard (the commands of Zionism), a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither (to the prophecy fulfilled, where all Nations can see the Jew returned to the Holy Land once again.).
And they ascended up to heaven (by complying with the voice, gathering themselves together in this Zionism) in a cloud (of peoples from Western Europe and all the world); and their enemies (especially in Palestinia) beheld them.

Rev. 11:13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, (i.e.; Israeli Statehood), and the tenth part of the city, (that first small piece of the Promised Land), fell (to the returning Jews), and in the earthquake (of their in-gathering) were slain of (Muslim) men, seven thousand:
and the remnant (Islamic armies) were affrighted, and (all the Judaeo-Christian world) gave glory to the God of heaven (that prophecy of Daniel, 12:11-12, had been fulfilled as Christ had acknowledged and opposed the Maccabean interpretations).

 

Hmmm,...

He said, "I am the Truth"...

I take he meant personification of the ideal,...
They tried to "kill" the Truth, to silence the Truth, but "he" rose again, as Truth is wont to do.

Truth is the image of the ever unfolding Reality to which it corresponds, one-to-one.
Truth is not God, but the is begotten by the Reality which sires it.
Truth is the son-of-Reality as it forever unfolds frame by frame.

 

TRUTH is subjective.

A FACT is REALITY.

By your reasoning I could substitute by name with Jesus and say the same thing in a book that I make widely available.

AboveAlpha

 

How in the world is this relevant to what I said?

 

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