What hit the Pentagon?

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  1. KarlMarx

    KarlMarx New Member

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    In the only officially released video of Flight 77 that hit the Pentagon, there are only four frames of video, none of which show the plane itself. How do we know that a missile did not hit it? And if it is true that a plane actually did hit it, why is the US government so reluctant to release the full, uncensored video?
     
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    LoneStrSt8 New Member Past Donor

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    Why do you assume it was 'censored'?
     
  3. One Mind

    One Mind Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Since no video other than that one we know about has been released, and since it didn't show the plane, some people have assumed it was censored. To hide up the fact that it was a missile, in their minds. But that plane took out light poles in front of the impact point, which a missile would not do.

    But whoever was piloting that plane was very good at what he was doing. Probably well trained financed by the Saudis, which the 28 pages that Obama will not release to the American people would perhaps reveal.

    When the FBI showed up at the house of Senator graham, and told him to drop it, his insistence that those 28 pages be released, he went to the NYT to spill the info. This is all public record.

    And of course, when two presidents classify 28 pages of the report on 9-11, it fuels the conspiracy guys, but most americans are too stupid to care. So we have two groups here, the conspiracy guys and the stupid herd who will believe anything the propaganda tells them.
     
  4. Scott

    Scott Well-Known Member

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    This video explains the manipulation of the video released by the government.

    September 11 -- The New Pearl Harbor (FULL)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DOnAn_PX6M
    (2:13:35 time mark)

    This frame is doctored.
    http://www.g7welcomingcommittee.com/blog/wp-content/images/pentagon1_plane.jpg

    Their long-term plan was to make us think the object on the right was smoke from a craft in front of it. This info started to appear after the doctored footage was released.

    9/11 Pentagon Attack: A Closer Look
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsWZHKIg3Cs

    The craft that struck the Pentagon is supposedly behind the box that houses the gate-lifting mechanism in this frame.

    http://0911.voila.net/index4.htm
    (fifth picture from top)

    Using the height of the Pentagon at the same distance from the camera as the craft is, it can be calculated that whatever is behind the box is too short to be a 757 as the above analysis shows.
    http://0911.voila.net/BionicAntboy.htm

    It looks like the tail of a craft is sticking up behind the box but that may be doctored too. Either nothing hit the Pentagon and there were planted bombs there, or a craft that was too small to be a 757 hit it.

    https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=april+gallop+9+11

    The PentaCon - Smoking Gun Version
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bR-k96laOI
     
  5. Scott

    Scott Well-Known Member

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    Some witnesses said they'd seen a 757 hit the Pentagon and some said they'd seen a smaller plane.
    http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=10632

    This is consistent with there being planted bogus witnesses and real witnesses who saw the real thing.


    The theory is that a real 757 flew over the Pentagon and landed at the airport behind it while a smaller craft actually hit it or a bomb went off inside it.
    http://www.911-archiv.net/hwdvideos...national-security-alertq/Page-1.html?Itemid=0


    It would have been easy for them to stage the light poles.
    http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=9632&st=0&start=0


    This video puts forth a plausible scenario that would explain what happened to the passengers and crew of flight 77.

    Painful Deceptions 911 Documentary by Eric Hufschmid - Full Version
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hWhvRBjbko
    (43:45 time mark)


    It's pretty clear that the government is lying.
     
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    cjnewson88 Well-Known Member

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    First of all, it's the FBI, not "the government" who have (or at least had) the video of the only cameras which have not been released, which are the ones which you can see on the roof of the Pentagon itself. All the other footage from the surrounding areas and the pentagon itself were released years ago.

    See them here:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYEYdTecl6Y&list=PLkI0c104aTNy6oo0WClG8jzy_KpSXnERu

    Only one shows the aircraft in full:

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    But if your argument rests on the footage of the event then you are never going to be satisfied. There will never be clear footage of the event. The cameras are not designed to capture objects moving that fast, at least back in 2001 anyway.

    But I encourage you to visit my blog. It contains a massive quantity of information related to that event. If you can get through that, and you still think AAL77 did not hit the Pentagon, then there is nothing else one can do.

    http://therightbloggerbastard.blogspot.co.nz/
     
  7. Scott

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    As I pointed out in post #4, that is a doctored frame. Let's hear your analysis of the obvious manipulation that's explained here.

    September 11 -- The New Pearl Harbor (FULL)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DOnAn_PX6M
    (2:13:35 time mark)
     
  8. LoneStrSt8

    LoneStrSt8 New Member Past Donor

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    Prove it was doctored,scott/cosmored/fatfreddy88/david c.and NOT by using a questionable youtube video...but by an independent source with no axe to grind.....otherwise you're just making sh** up,as usual.
     
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    Do you suspect a missile hit the Pentagon? If so, why?

    Also, if you think the US govt hit it's own defense dept with a missile but wanted the public to think it was a jet, why wouldn't the govt just hit the Pentagon with a jet??
     
  10. Scott

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    It's already been shown that whatever is behind the box that houses the gate-lifting mechanism in this picture...
    http://0911.voila.net/index4.htm
    (fifth from top)

    ...is not long enough to be a 757. It may have been a missile, or a smaller craft, or nothing at all. This alone proves an inside job.

    Here are some plausible reasons not to use a remote-controlled 757.
    http://killtown.blogspot.com.es/2006/06/why-they-didnt-use-757-to-hit-pentagon.html
     
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    cjnewson88 Well-Known Member

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    Scott links to (*)(*)(*)(*)ty quality video claiming it does not show the "full plane" when in fact I link the higher quality images which show it in the exact position it should be. Not my fault the retarded video editor thinks the white smoke trail is the 'tip' of the plane. Maybe he should look a bit better.

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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    most people do see the plane in the video.

    Truthers make believe they don't see a plane, cause they don't WANT to see a plane.
     
  13. Scott

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    We can hardly see it here,...
    http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evidence/videos/dodvideos.html

    ...but of course we can see it here.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=405804&p=1064938880#post1064938880

    The argument isn't that we can't see it in the above frame. The argument is that the above frame is a doctored frame. You're ignoring this info.

    September 11 -- The New Pearl Harbor (FULL)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DOnAn_PX6M
    (2:13:35 time mark)

    Tell us what you think of the manipulation pointed out in the above video.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    the plane is not large in the video, but you can see it.

    unless of course you don't want to see it.
     
  15. cjnewson88

    cjnewson88 Well-Known Member

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    I watched it. There is no manipulation. He's pointing at the smoke trail saying its the plane. He is wrong. The plane is in front of the smoke trail, in the position it shows in my image. He's using a very poor quality image, go figure.
     
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    There is no evidence for a missile, but there is plenty of evidence that confirms it was AA77, therefore, AA77 struck the Pentagon.

    It isn't difficult.
     
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    Because when you want power and control over a population as ruler/dominator, you mastermind a strategy to succeed in your goal. History always shows the same process, that tyranny (or false flag terror in this era) leads to chaos, confusion and an increase in communication in society, to take it over (it's not really a take over, it's the hierarchy you are (emotionally) part of that starts to enforce)

    Unclear information, or the gov or the fbi that kept information behind leads to more thinking, to more 'conspiracy theories', which aren't solvable when you have to little information. It increases discussion (more thinking leads to an increase in emotion, emotion is power for the ones in top of the systeem aka hierarchy)

    They could release the uncensored video at any moment if they want, to create anoher shock through society. An awakening by shock is very powerful, it can trigger a revolution in society, especially after all these years of uncertainty over 9/11.


    A missile that looked like a plane as flight AA77 was can mislead what you really see. Eye witnesses thought they saw AA77, while it was e.g a cruise missle that was modified.
     
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    LOL, yet there is no evidence for a missile, so why do you say this?
     
  19. KarlMarx

    KarlMarx New Member

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    Also, if it really was Flight AA77, why did it hit the pentagon, which was built to withstand that sort of thing, instead of continuing on for a few more minutes and hitting the white house, which would have shocked the nation and hurt America much more than hitting the pentagon. Why did they leave it to the last plane, the one most likely to get shot down by fighter jets after the first three successful hits, to hit the white house? I think it was because the US government wanted the public support to go to war with Iraq, but didn't want to get hurt to badly in the process, and so told Al Qaeda not to hit the white house.
     
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    Wow. So why did they attack Afghanistan to eliminate Al-Qaeda?

    Where is the evidence that the Pentagon was built to withstand the high-speed impact of a an airliner?

    The rest is idle speculation as would be any response to it.
     
  21. LoneStrSt8

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    Besides,there was nothing more than kinetic energy in play with the airliner,had it been a 'cruise missile',there would have been evidence of an explosion from it's payload..
     
  22. cjnewson88

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    http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evidence/videos/dodvideos.html
    If there were a real plane where you say there's one, there would be a clear image. It wouldn't be seethroughish.

    Fuzzy pictures happen because the exposure time is too long for the speed.
    http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=jetflybynbws.jpg

    If the shutter speed is fast enough for the length of the plane to stay the same in the picture as it actually is as your seethroughish image is, there is a clear unambiguous image.
    https://www.google.es/search?q=jet+...so0Ve_pDY6O7AbY6YH4Aw&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAg#imgrc=_


    Another problem with your scenario is that there is no shadow on the ground below where you say the plane is.


    Another problem with your scenario is that your plane is too short to be a 757.
    http://0911.voila.net/index4.htm
    (fifth from top)

    http://0911.voila.net/BionicAntboy.htm

    The calculations show that the craft behind the box in the other frame is too short to be a 757. We can see how big a 757 would be in the above picture.


    There's also a mountain of other proof that a 757 didn't hit the Pentagon.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=405804&p=1064937346#post1064937346


    The government doctored this frame.
    http://www.g7welcomingcommittee.com/blog/wp-content/images/pentagon1_plane.jpg
     
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    Scott focuses on blurry videos because he is too much of a coward to look at the higher quality images I link. He will never address the facts that:

    1. AAL77 loaded with 64 people that morning at Dulles Airport at gate D26, including 5 hijackers, all which are on video passing through security at the airport.

    2. AAL77 departed Dulles, as confirmed by radar as well as dozens of air traffic control recordings.

    3. AAL77 was tracked by radar the entire journey. At one point it was lost to just one air traffic facility. Several primary radars tracked AAL77 for its entire trip.

    4. Two air phone calls were made from AAL77. One by flight attendant Renee May, who called her mother detailing the hijacking. Barbara Olson also made a call to her husband, detailing the hijacking.

    5. AAL77 is on 3 separate radar systems approaching over Washington DC. It was spotted by several air traffic controllers, as well as an aircraft airborne near the Pentagon who spotted AAL77 bank in front of him, and reported to Regan National Airport controllers it was a Boeing 757.

    6. Hundreds of people on the ground saw an aircraft hit the Pentagon. There are 136 on record which have given statements to either police, investigators, or media. AAL77 passed over rush hour traffic on a busy highway right next to the Pentagon and was clearly spotted by dozens of motorists. Not one eye witness has come forth that says they saw a missile, or anything resembling a missile.

    7. On its approach, AAL77's wing span knocked over 5 light poles, clipped trees, and knocked a large generator. Only something with the wingspan of a 757 has the size to have accomplish this.

    8. Dozens of recognisable pieces of debris was recovered from inside and outside the Pentagon. Photographs available show fuselage debris, landing gear parts, engines, cockpit remains, and more. All passengers and people inside the Pentagon which were killed were also identified by DNA recovered inside the Pentagon.

    9. AAL77's black box was recovered from inside the Pentagon. Its flight data recorder was in tact, and the data has been used by the NTSB to show AAL77's full flight path from take off to impact. Years later, a team got their hands on the data and decoded 4 more seconds of information confirming AAL77's impact with the Pentagon. AAL77's cockpit voice recorder was destroyed by the impact and fire.

    10. The history of the hijackers on AAL77 is well known. Due to their names on AAL77's passenger manifest we know exactly who they are. Hani Hanjour had a commercial pilot licence and hours of experience in a Boeing 737 simulator. According to Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, Hani was specifically chosen to hit the Pentagon because of its difficulty, and Hani was the most experienced of all hijackers. Two other hijackers, Nawaf al-Hazmi and Khalid al-Mihdhar, had been in the US for over a year and had attempted flying lessons themselves.

    In short there is a mountain of evidence tracking AAL77 from boarding, to take off, to impact. Every piece of evidence shows AAL77 impacted the Pentagon. All truthers can do is link blurry images and make up lies (such as no seat phones, fake calls, no debris, no bodies, planted evidence, faked video etc). All this information, and more, is available in large detail on my blog.
     
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    Question: What hit the Pentagon?

    Answer: A plane.

    What do I get?
     

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