What is Joe Biden's measured IQ?

When you consider all professional athletes, the average salary is substantially less then a degreed scientist. Scientists working in their field of study get paid pretty well....as they should.
One study is $94 k.
Pro athletes ? $ 52 k
https://www.ziprecruiter.com/Salaries/Professional-Athlete-Salary
https://www.indeed.com/career/scientist/salaries

 

Intelligence discussion, yes. But one IQ number after one sit down test for “ general “ intel that follows a person the rest of their lives, is bogus.

 

What BS. That shows that genetics is far LESS then we thought. Even identical twins are not genetically identical and differ by a significant amount. But you do just throw away data you don’t like.
“These studies suggest that genetic factors underlie about 50 percent of the difference in intelligence among individuals.”

Look at that...genius ONLY play a 50% role.

 

That is a fallacious ASSUMPTION!

Can YOU prove that they were "less intelligent" as opposed to being less well nourished or just possessing less knowledge?

WHY are IQ's DECLINING in Westernized nations?

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opini...-developed-countries-doesn-t-bode-ncna1008576

So according to YOUR fallacious ASSUMPTION you would have to hold the position that these LOWER IQ's are being INHERITED from higher IQ "forebears", right?

 

More often then not, high pay enhances creativity. It’s having to hold down several jobs to make ends meet that makes someone, “ the master of none.”

 

It's an indisputable fact.

Yes: in millions of years, their technology barely advanced.

Sugar?

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0149763418308613#bib1235

No.

 

Fact.

No, just more than you thought.

Wrong.

No, that is what you do.

Which is a lot, considering how little genetic variability there is in typical study populations, and how much damage specific environmental factors like severe illness, injury, stroke, childhood emotional trauma, prenatal drug exposure, birth hypoxia, neonatal malnutrition, etc. can do to the brain.

 

I think the comment was about professional athletes that someone has heard of.

 

Some one.....so that’s one person. Really have no idea what your point is.

 

In twins, it’s still only 50% relative. Your numbers. Case closed.

 

That’s how all technology advances.....it’s called an exponential function. Very little at first, then dramatically as tech builds on itself.

Look at the technology of flight, from the Wright Bros to now compared to none in millions of years. It’s not because Newton was dumber then us. He had less science before to build upon.


The same with boats until the internal combustion engine.
Sailing progressed very slowly. It completely depended upon prevailing winds for thousands of years. Now in just a hundred years, we can travel underwater for a decade.

 

I was pointing out the variability within a group. Scandinavians, the English, Dutch, and Germans are all basically the same genetic grouping, all descended from the same ancient people. Arguably the Germanic people, the people of the north, have done far more to advance the human condition than all other people combined. That among them, are most of the most intelligent people in the world, yet there are large numbers who would be lost without continual guidance.

 

Humanity is one family. There has always been abuse in that family. It has always been done by those having no heart but enough intellectual capacity to organize things around them, at whatever cost to those around them. The difference is not race, sex, religion or anything other than too much and not enough intelligence in a certain strata of any human population. Intelligent sociopathy rises to the top. It only takes realizing this to end it.

 

It's actually more complex and nuanced than that.

Part of the reason both extremes exist is the genetic diversity of the population, which reflects the complexity of the migrations and mixing that have occurred. It's even more the case in Africa, where the diversity and the gap between the extremes are even greater.

 

Given the obvious cognitive issues Joe exhibits daily, I doubt his IQ has anything to do with just being able to do simple tasks, like walk up stairs.

 

No, that only happens when the intelligence of anatomically modern humans is brought to bear. Never when it isn't.

Those examples are all of technology developed exclusively by anatomically modern humans. Our less intelligent forebears got effectively nowhere technologically in millions of years.

 

A summary of the actual science:

 

And exactly when did modern man first arrive ?
Do you really think you’re more intelligent then a whale ?
Do you believe in evolution ?

 

I didn’t hear him promote IQ testing.

 

It is American society that rejects intelligence. There is the Hollywood imagined intelligence that gets celebrated, but real intelligence, real creativity is often squashed, often ridiculed. Teenaged girls are still feeling pressure to dumb down. Bullies are allowed to do their thing in American schools because they tend to enforce conformity. Stupid is still the "funniest" thing on American television. Incidentally, the smarter states watch less television than the dumb states. More in the Bible Belt than in the liberal strongholds. More in the east than the west.

I have gone on interviews for jobs where it quickly became obvious that I was significantly more intelligent than the man who was interviewing me. I never got hired for those jobs. When, by personnel changes, I have ended up with a less intelligent boss, he/she was either thrilled by having the resource (me) at the ready, or they worked tirelessly to undercut me. Once it went horribly wrong. There was this guy, 6'6" or so who kind of bullied his way around. He thought he was much smarter than he was. He was one of those engineers who I, and others (as it was typically a group effort) had to redo his work behind his back, to prevent him from screwing up the whole project. One year, as we got our annual raises, when the paper work passed across his desk, he had made a mistake on my account. The standard raise that year was 6%. But as budgets go, to give one employee in the department a little more of a raise, another had to get a little less. I do not think he liked me all that much and gave me a raise of only 5.8%. But he, or someone, made a mistake and when it all came through, I had been given a 6.8% raise. My boss, seeing the mistake, issued a new order to the HR department to fix my raise. The paperwork ended up on the desk of an executive whose approval was required to effect the change. This was the man who had specifically recruited me. He told me that my boss had made a second mistake. That if he signed the paperwork, as submitted, that I would get an additional 5.8% on top of what I had already gotten, not the 1% reduction my boss had intended. He went on, telling me things going on in the company and we had an hour or so long conversation. In the end he told me that he thought I was doing a really good job and deserved the raise, as he was signing the paperwork - telling me not to say anything to my boss or coworkers about it.

I once read this book about the mothers of several well known innovators. People like Tesla, Edison, and Ford. A commonality throughout, was that the mothers had a rather profound impact on their sons' intellectual development, stepping in when the schools fell short. To the point, that their sons had a clear advantage over their peers. When I was in high school, there was this kid, an occasional friend of mine. He was our #1 tennis player, going to state two years in a row, and graduated as our valedictorian. I was repeatedly reminded, by her actions and her words, that his mom was his biggest fan. How could he not of succeeded, with the support and encouragement she never failed to give him. I always thought that my parents were horrible parents, being more authoritarian than nurturing. As such, I was always thinking that when I grew up, I would be a much different parent. To that end, growing up I was always making note of those parents who I thought were good parents. That and what I had been reading. I can't help but think that my children are more intelligent, more creative than I am, because, from an early age they were immersed in an environment that was much more loving, much more enlightening, much more stimulating than I had been raised in. Georgina Tesla, by all accounts was a very intelligent and innovative person. But the circumstances of her lot in life prevented her from using her talents to contribute substantially to society. But she had a son, whom she imparted her intelligence. A son who grew up to invent and define AC electricity, as well as invent logic gates and radio control. A son who regularly touted his mom as one of his greatest intellectual and creative influences.

I think that people's intelligence are a lot like computers. Some people are like the latest cutting edge computers, large memory banks, super fast solid state hard drives, advanced graphics cards, multiple cores, super fast clocks.... Others are like computers with Pentiums. Capable of most functions, full color realistic displays, but limited in memory, speed, and functionality. Others still, are like the original IBM PC's and Apple II's. There is much that they can do. Even amazing things, but in comparison to the more advanced computers, they fall far short. And every step in between. All can do the most basic functions. Compute numbers, arrange tables, edit text, communicate with other devices. But try as they may, the Apple II and the original PC are incapable of creating the graphics that a Pentium computer, with its VGA, can do with ease. A Pentium capable of remembering more things at a time, without having to reference a disk. All the advantages the Pentium had over the earlier computers, fall short of the newer computers. All the beauty of the Pentium displays are no match for the GPU based graphic cards with massive memory fed with data streams coming out of superfast multicore CPUs. Each has useable functionality, but the further down one goes, the functionality decreases.

Compare this to people. Anyone can push a broom around, anyone can collect up dirty dishes and load them into a dishwasher rack. Not everyone can be a machinist. Or least not a good one. It takes attention to detail, knowledge of the machine and the materials used, greater than average mathematical skills, the ability to read highly technical documents. It is like a threshold. Before a certain level, one is not able to become a capable machinist, no matter how hard one tries, no matter how hard one is trained. Yet, to those above that level, doing the work of a machinist is not all that difficult. Same with engineering. In order to become an engineer, or physicist, one has to pass a five course program, Differential Calculus, Integral Calculus, Differential Equations, Newtonian Physics (mechanics), and Maxwellian Physics (waves). Nationally, something like 60% of those who try, fail or give up. But for those who pass, it is rather easy, as is what is taught in what comes after.

Maybe it is just the quantum thinking in me, but I can't help but think that intelligence is distributed in steps, rather than in a continuum. Or at least the effects of intelligence comes in steps.

 

Really, if you’re so much smarter then our forebears, why can’t you do calculus ?

 

Actually, it’s intellectually harder to be an nfl quarterback or single handed sail around the world.

 

You just listed all the reasons why genetics is only one part of intellect. Absolutely everyone will be exposed to everyone and more of those conditions to varying degrees.

 

You can say the same thing about Trump and any of his dependents.

 

I watched Joe Biden's press conference the other day. The next day, all the conservatives were going on about how embarrassing Biden was, his mental faculties obviously failing. I kept thinking, surely they didn't see the same news conference as I had. But then I watched the news conference on Sky News, then News Max and and FOX News. Funny thing happened in the translation. Or should I say a funny thing happened in the editing room. You know how when people talk, that as they speak they will say things like uh and umm? It is one of those things that professional talking heads are taught to avoid. The news conference was so edited that after each question, Biden would start to talk, but as soon as he got to a point where he went uh ah um, they ended the clip, cutting back to a talking head going look how incoherent he is, never showing a complete answer. Watching those right wing propaganda sources, one clearly saw that Joe Biden is barely coherent. But that is not reality. Is not at all reflective of the actual news conference. I am often amused by those who get their "news" from the usual sources, and then have the temerity to question my intelligence.