What Is Main Lesson To BE Learned From the Zimmerman Case ?

Incorrect. George didn't have to testify anyway. AC and Bernie were complete idiots for playing the interview and re-enactment videos. They told the jury George's account.
If you must be upset by the verdict be so at AC and Bernie.
If you're ever in deep legal **** and Bernie and Crump are available choose Crump.
Didn't you love how Bernie got up and screamed at the all female jury every day? Bet some of those women have had a man do that to them at some time. Real bright Bernie. Real bright.

 

I've been to the shrink a couple of times. There is no psychiatric disorder on my medical retirement paperwork. Both the Army and the State of Washington cleared me to carry a weapon.

Drop it or I go with a formal complaint.

I base my opinion of what Z would have looked like on professional training. Part of that training was in residential security and part was in training law enforcement personnel, and you don't have the security clearance, so don't ask.

 

Good for you to go to a shrink.
So what you are saying is part of your job as a security guard was to 'profile' people based on your "opinion"? You mean like what George did?
I mean that's what you just posted right? You just used the words: "looked like" right? So in your "opinion" George must have "looked like" a "boy-bumper" to T and T was scared the "boy-bumper" AKA 'tub of lard' was going to "abduct" T right?
And then some thing went wrong with George's abduction scheme and George ended up having to smash the back or his head with his gun to cause the injuries after he shot T but in the few seconds before the cops arrived.
Boy wouldn't that have looked funny to the cops to see George smashing his own head right? Lucky for George he wasn't caught in the act. Lucky no witness was looking out their window or now George would be sitting in jail.

 

Spare me the psychobabble BS. Maybe I do have some pent up frustrations...like when people try to portray someone as an innocent little angel, and hide behind the guise of a child, when in reality nothing could be further from the truth. So while your heart bleeds for a child who was far from innocent. Serving his 3rd suspension from school, had illegal drugs in his system, was looking for prescription cough syrup in order to make a substance called LEAN, which is a mixture of said cough syrup, fruit juice, and candy....gee what did the little angel go to the store for again??? Karma?.....why not ask Trayvon Martin about Karma? You know my Grandfather told me once growing up...you want to act like a man then be prepared to be treated as one, and that is exactly what happened. So yes, you are entitled to your opinion.

 

I wonder Michael Vick would, or Mike Tyson? How about Rae Carruth? All had money and the best lawyers money could buy....all three found guilty and sentenced to prison. There is a real simple solution though stop commiting crimes!!!!

 

I was flipping channels the other night and came across some "news" network show where they were talking about young black men and the epedemic of crime in that demographic, and the so called black community spokespeople (well some of them anyway) were suggesting idiotic things like some jurisdictions prosecute more severely and send these young men to jail more often, and perhaps that was a reason for the problem. How absurd! I never heard any of them suggest that maybe these young men should consider maybe not committing crimes at all.

 

The lesson that I took from all of this is....
If I am being chased or harrassed by a criminal, and have to fight to defend my life, I should hope to not have the unfortunate luck to to start winning the fight, because then all the criminal has to do is pull his gun, shoot and kill me and then claim self defense. It's a new day ladies and gentleman.

 

Not sure how that has anything to do with this case.

 

Its has everything to do with this case. There will be many more cases like this to come.

 

Criminal? That is what a good Samaritan getting a beat down is called now days I guess.

 

Well i guess it just depends on how you view the situation. This is a piece in the Tampa Bay tribune:

"People often go free under "stand your ground" in cases that seem to make a mockery of what lawmakers intended. One man killed two unarmed people and walked out of jail. Another shot a man as he lay on the ground. Others went free after shooting their victims in the back. In nearly a third of the cases the Times analyzed, defendants initiated the fight, shot an unarmed person or pursued their victim,and still went free."

There has been alot of cases in FL where drug dealers use the SYG defense after a shootout, and actually walk.



The outcome of a " stand your ground" case can turn on many factors: the location of blood spatters, the credibility of witnesses, the relative size and age of the parties involved. But the Times found similar incidents handled in dramatically different ways.

Derrick Hansberry thought John Webster was having an affair with his estranged wife, so he confronted Webster on a basketball court in Dade City in 2005. A fight broke out and Hansberry shot his unarmed rival at least five times, putting him in the hospital for three weeks.

Ultimately, a jury acquitted Hansberry, but not before police and prosecutors weighed in. Neither thought Hansberry could reasonably argue self-defense because he took the gun with him and initiated the confrontation.

A judge agreed, denying him immunity at a hearing.

Compare that case to Deounce Harden's. In 2006, he showed up at Steven Deon Mitchell's Jacksonville carwash business and started arguing over a woman. When the fight escalated, Harden shot and killed Mitchell, who was unarmed.

Prosecutors filed no charges.

Similar inconsistencies can be found across the state:

• During an argument at a 2009 party in Fort Myers, Omar Bonilla fired his gun into the ground and beat Demarro Battle, then went inside and gave the gun to a friend. If Battle feared for his life, he had time to flee. Instead, he got a gun from his car and returned to shoot Bonilla three times, including once in the back. Battle was not charged in the slaying.

At another party in the same town five months later, Reginald Etienne and Joshua Sands were arguing. Etienne left the party and returned with a knife. During a fistfight between the two men, Etienne fatally stabbed Sands. He was sent to prison for life.

• In Winter Springs, Owen Eugene Whitlock came home on Christmas Eve 2009 to find his daughter's boyfriend, Jose Ramirez, angrily stalking up his driveway, flexing his muscles and swinging his fists. Whitlock stood his ground and fired a fatal shot. He was not charged.

In Clearwater, Terry Tyrone Davis shot and killed his cousin as he stalked up the walkway of Davis' home in 2010 with a group of friends. "There's no doubt he was going over there to kick his a--,'' Circuit Judge Philip J. Federico said, "but that does not allow you to kill a guy." Davis is now serving 25 years in prison.

• In West Palm Beach, Christopher Cote started pounding on the door of neighbor Jose Tapanes at 4 a.m. after an argument over Cote's dog. Tapanes stepped outside and fired his shotgun twice, killing Cote. A jury acquitted him, but prosecutors and a judge had discounted Tapanes' self-defense claim, saying if he was truly afraid for his life, he should not have stepped outside.

Yet Rhonda Eubanks was not arrested or charged when she opened her front door one evening in 2006 and fatally shot a man who had been causing a ruckus in her Escambia County neighborhood. He had tried to get into her house, then left and tried to take her neighbors' cars. When he returned, Eubanks stood near her doorway and fired as he approached.

 

Still didn't have anything to do with the Zimmerman case.

 

djlunacee,

Oh come on man, you can come stronger than that; I don’t think you’re trying hard enough…

First, I never said TM was an angel. As a matter of fact I’ve said repeatedly in most of my comments how he was wrong for doubling back to find George and wrong to let his young hothead lead him into waters he should have never steered into. I called out a few of the things he did that night as wrong.

So if you’re going to quote me, at least have the decency to get it right.

Next, I lost count of all the times I got suspended from school along with a host of other stupid things (when I was young) and none of those things meant that my life had no meaning or that some @$$-hole had the right to kill me.

If you were to look at all the things I did as a kid and compare them to what I’ve done as an adult and all the positive things I’ve done with my life, they definitely wouldn’t match, but yet here I am.

I actually grew up to become an upstanding citizen that is college educated thank you very much, works, pays taxes, and has the respect of all my co-workers, associates, and family.

So please tell me exactly what the point is of constantly bringing up some stupid schyt that TM did that you and all you’re other Zimmerman defenders were probably just as guilty of if not more. I seriously doubt that you were an alter boy as a child, but I guess you've forgotten all that huhh?

Try getting down off of that holier than thou throne your on, and join the rest of us back down here on earth. No my friend, why don’t you spare me a ton of your BS.

I’ve served in the Marine Corps, traveled the entire world several times, visited many countries, broken bread with many different cultures and am all around a pretty decent person…….who’s never seen the inside of a jail cell…….and I’m not white, imagine that?

By constantly bringing up some of TM’s troubles that 99.9% of every other American kid (of all colors) in this x-generation share, your inferring that somehow that proves he was a kid worthy of being shot or that somehow the things he did somehow disqualified him from getting a fair trial with unbiased jurors.

Lord knows that if you were one of the jurors your mind would have already been made up before opening arguments.

Look, if you woke up on a Monday morning and beat up your boss, stole some money from an ATM, got high that night, and capped off your day by robbing a 7-Eleven, and you were shot & killed the very next day while returning home from getting some cigarettes by some idiot itching to use his gun and then hide like a coward behind an idiotic SYG law…………”you” would be entitled to people looking at the case without judging your past because guess what Sparky????

Everything you did on Monday had NOTHING to do with a new set of events that happened on Tuesday. Why…… because you’re the victim, you were the one who got shot & killed, and at the time of your death the only thing you were doing was going home.

Hell, I’d defend you………….with your troubled past.

Not so much with the person that killed you however because if that person had a history of violence or mental health issues, anger management issue etc. etc. that would have to be considered because there’s a pattern there.

Exactly what type of pattern can we deduce by a 17 year old kid returning back to his or his families place of residence? That he had a tendency to go home after buying candy?????????

Come on man, seriously……..

If you’re going to bring it then don’t forget the kitchen sink…………..I’m no lightweight!!!!!!

 

Zimmerman was not a criminal, had no criminal convictions. This was not a Stand Your Ground case but simple self-defense. The prosecution stated that they had zero evidence that GZ was not headed back to his vehicle when confronted by TM. There is no evidence that GZ ever intended any kind of harm to TM other than to have the police question him. You seem to be talking about a different case than this one.

 

I will bet that none of them know how to write the legislation, and that they expect white people to do the writing.

 

Stand your ground wasn't even neccessary. Plain old self defense applied just fine.

 

As soon as you read the words "winning the fight" or some variation of that, i've found it will pretty much guarantee there will be kind of mischaraterization before it or after.

I'd sure like to know when Trayvon was fighting to defend his life like i think your saying.

And as an aside, it seems the shock and outrage part from the Trayvon supporters is over.

They now are getting quite bitter, what with the demanding of proof (which i can only assume is a foreign concept to them from the past year+) and threats of "formal complaints".

 

Almost every Trayvonite in this forum seems to be talking about a different case than this one, because they all seem to have remanufactured the case, to some way that they can now scream "RACISM! RACISM!", and get a fullfledged session of playing the race card in. Guess that turns them on somehow.

 

Probably because the defendant got away with murder.

 

I am by no means admonishing Gearge Zimmerman, there were things he could have done differently that night as well. What I am saying is that plain and simple contrary to your previous posts on the matter is that this was never about race, the ones who made it about race were the Sharpton's, the Jackson's, all the way up to the oval office, and you fell right in with them. And its sickening to me when I know that if any one of the Martin supporters put themselves in Zimmerman's position after being attacked, your head bounced off the concrete several times, and someone sitting on your chest, unable to breathe, with a broken nose flowing blood into the back of your throat, in fear of your life, wouldn't have pulled the trigger themselves. I will say this one last time, it is a tragedy that a 17 year old lost his life. He wasn't murdered, he wasn't stalked, he wasn't an innocent bystander, he was shot while commiting felony assault and battery.

That's not why Zimmerman shot him, don't put words in my mouth, I have never said anything of the sort. If you think I have then you have severly misinterpreted my posts, and that's a shame.

I was a goon as a kid, did many things I am not proud of, I grew up, became an adult, have the respect of all my co-workers, assocites, and family, pay taxes, coach football and basketball, and am well respected throughout my community, but in the end its not about you or me though is it? The reason I bring those things to light is in direct response to those who wish to portray Gearge Zimmerman as a racist monster and Trayvon Martin as an innocent angel. All information needs to be available in order to make rational and logical decisions, agreed?

Me, holier than thou attitude? Now that's hilarious.

I served in the Army, served a tour in Desert Storm, have seen things so beautiful that you wouldn't think they were real, and I have seen things that were so horrible they still give me nightmares. Yet here I am through it all, but again, its not about you or me now is it?

You're misinterpreting what I am saying again....pity.

In all honesty I never made my mind up on this case until all the evidence and testimony was presented. So if I were in the Jury pool and gone through voire dire, I very well could have been on the jury.

That would be really, really sad, I would hope they threw the book at the guy who shot me, that SOB should get the death penalty, twice! Unfortunately, There is no correlation between your story and the actual events of the case we are discussing, so your point is moot. Now, had I not taken the opportunity to go home, and doubled back, and suckerpunched the guy, slammed his head on the concrete a few times, used some racial epithets, got him to the ground, and started threatening his life, and he shot me, okay, I can deal with that. Its a situation I instigated, and I can take responsibility for that.

Nonsense, Trayvon Martin at the time time of his death was in the act of continuing a felony assault on another human being he wasn't going home.

Gee, I wonder why the prosecution withheld the contents of Martin's phone and commited prosecutorial misconduct under the rules of discovery...For the last time, as you said in point of Zimmerman, Martin's past is relevant because he was in the act of commiting a crime at his time of death, not walking home, not singing his girlfriend a lullaby on the phone, not rushing home to study, or to take care of his younger brother. He was commiting felony assault and battery, period. So his propensity for violence and his past is just as relevant in forum discussion.

Seriously. It is sad that Trayvon Martin is dead. He was shot and killed by George Zimmerman. He wasn't shot because he was black, he wasn't profiled and stalked, he wasn't shot by an over zealous gun nut itching to use his brand new toy, he was commiting a crime, and in that situation Zimmerman had every right to defend himself in anyway necessary, even justifiable homocide under the law of the state of Florida.

 

Uh huh, so that justifies outright lying and making up nonsense to try to futher your political agenda, is that it?

 

No more than any political "agenda" you might have. Many people don't watch FOX 24/7, and feel he got away with murder.

 

Many people never watch FOX and know he was found not guilty by a jury of his peers.

 

Probably those that watched NBC that edited his audio to make him sound racist.