What is Ron Paul's plan for the US Navy?

I agree with you to some extent but do not feel that a large military presence is required to accomplish such an objective, especially in modern nations like the UK, France, Australia, Germany, etc.

Of course, I can only speak for myself. I'm not sure how Ron Paul would reconcile such a thing.

 

The creation of new enemies and enmity towards our nation. The propaganda value of our military intervention abroad cannot be underestimated.

Here is video that helps to explain what I mean.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8RAog2RnRc"]Ron Paul's Foreign Policy Views Explained in 13 Minutes - YouTube[/ame]

That's certainly true. Our infantry is the most experienced and deadly on the planet, but was it worth the cost in blood and treasure? Was it worth all the enmity and resentment we created in the Middle East?

 

Decent point but I'd be willing to guess that for every enemy we make we also create a new friend. Kind of balances out.

 

Yes, but it was attacked (a) by an organization whose hatred of the US can be attributed in some part to our foreign interventionism and (b) while we were unnecessarily effectuating an occupation of foreign lands.

Can we really ignore those variables in the strategic calculus?

A moot point if we're operating under the assumption that we didn't need to be there in the first place.

I agree with Ron Paul that our foreign interventionism places our Navy in grave danger to begin with.

 

Not so sure about that.

 

That would be a hard premise for anyone to prove i'm afraid. Plenty of kurds and people in Kuwait thankful for our intervention in Iraq.

 

Then how does the Navy respond to global threats without a network of secure support bases?

 

A "global threat" could mean a great deal of things. I wouldn't know how to answer that unless specifics were given.

I guess my point is that we should deal with things on a case-by-case basis.

 

Yea, but are they thankful enough to hunt down the new enemies we created and kill them?

 

We don't need their help but i'm sure they would support us on our way.

 

Obviously we don't need their help, but if by helping them we create more enemies for ourselves, what good does it do us to have them passively appreciate our sacrifices?

 

I understand your reasoning but I don't think your seeing the whole picture. If someone is neutral and we help them either directly or indirectly they are now friendly. They are not going to go track down any enemies we made but they may do things like share intelligence or infrastructure like facilities for our navy while we deal with any enemy's we made.

These combined efforts are stronger than anything an enemy who is upset at us could bring to the table. This has been proven with our hunt against Al-Queida. Sure there are many upset that we are over there trouncing around looking for these guys but there are also many people willing to help us track them down because its beneficial to them.

Its also been proven in how many times we have been victimized by further terrorist attacks compared to how many people in Al-Queida we removed. We did not do this without the support of the people in the countries we are, "invading".

 

I'm sure they were also thankful when the USA gave weapons to Saddam to fight the Iranians which consisted of the same weapons used to oppress them.

 

We almost need four POTUSes.

1. President of Economic Affairs;
2. President of Defense & Foreign Affairs;
3. President of Entitlement Reform
4. President to Beat Up for Fukups of the other Three​

Or - Paul Ryan needs to change his mind.

 

Oh the Emir thats like the King that owns the Nation of Kuwait thanks you as does the kurds who stood up thinking that you were trueful in bringing down the Hussien regime in Bush snrs war in Iraq Desert Storm,oh they were thrilled when the republican guard slaughtered 1000's as the US stood by watching.sorry to burst the myth about kurd support for the US,but once bitten by lies twice shy.you were very young in 91' we understand its not living experience for you.

yes the slaughter of the Kurds is down to the US and Bush snr,just let the Republican guard do as they wished ,without air support of course.Bush snr even called for the Kurd rebellion as a peaxe accord was being signed to end the conflict with Hussien.

Yes the Kuwaiti Royal family was a winner,

 

Guess we'll have to agree to disagree then.

 

You are singling out one event but not addressing the reason for that example. The point was that there will always be people thankful as well as those that hate us no matter where we go or what we do. Like you said in your example, the Kurds don't like us but i'm sure there are others that do because we didn't take any action there.

I was 21 in 1991 by the way.

 

Yes it would be wonderful if we could predict future actions of governments we are trying to help at the moment but until we can do that we are just going to have to make the best decisions we can at the time.

 

2.5 million dead in that little conflict and when the Iraqi mirage jet hit a US warship with a Exocet missile it was an unfortunate mistake.

http://eightiesclub.tripod.com/id344.htm

 

What was to be expected? We gave weapons to a man who controlled the Country using Force... you didn't think such a man wouldn't use his Will already upon the people once again as Force? That's like trusting a maniac who enjoys killing people with knives and then giving him a knife because you want him to go kill someone in particular. He is going to use the knife on others besides his intended target...

 

Sounds like a good reason to remove someone like that from power then...Oh wait.. we did

 

Oh wait... we gave him the means to secure his power to begin with and allowed him to kill his own people with our weapons. Gotta love Blowback and idiot remarks from fools who still believe in the US Foreign Policy protects us!

 

It does. I haven't seen us come under any major attacks since, oh, 1941 maybe. Yes we got hit by the terrorists but considering how evil you think our foreign policy is you'd think it would be alot more.

I'd say our foreign policy has been hugely successful.

 

Trillions in debt, inflated currency, FIAT money system, 1000+ bases across the Globe, loss of Civil Liberties, Massive Welfare Programs (Civil/Corporate) and power being far more Centralized... I would say we're killing ourselves internally. So the massive attacks are coming from the Federal Government and not from Foreigners.

 

What actual Civil Liberties have you lost?