What is so attractive about Joe Biden and Hillary Clinton?

So Abrams and Hillary didn't do those things? Keep trying to deflect to conspiracies ("deep state" ). Abrams and Hillary whined in the press, and you tried to compare that to all the crap Trump has done. It's not even close.

 

And I don't believe you either so we are even.

 

I really like the indictment about telling people to watch TV..... That really gives you a lot of faith in The credibility of the rest of them.

 

Neither of them are as bad as suspected. The conservative media is just good at propaganda, and people readily believe what they want to believe. But the main reason is the same reason conservatives defend Trump. He's on the team, and his policies are closer to what we want than the alternative party.

As a political argument, talking about how so-and-so is corrupt will fall on deaf ears. If he's corrupted, whatever, go ahead and prosecute him when you can and it really doesn't make any difference if we can still elect another democrat. Again, it's the policies that matter.

I have this really conservative brother-in-law who used to constantly talk about democrat scandals or alleged misconduct. I just don't care. I want to know the right policy, not whether the current avatar of the party can be torn down for personal reasons.

With Trump I care because I absolutely despise him and feel shame that my country elected somebody like him. So him going to prison would be vindication of my country and justice. Perhaps that's why conservatives are so much more obsessed with finding dirt on Biden than policies. But it doesn't need to play into whether republicans or democrats get to pursue their policy agendas. Nominate somebody else this time.

 

Please give me the page # from the indictment.

 

That's the military, not the Executive Branch. No one is going to get promoted to president.

 

So no evidence for your assertions. Got it. I guess the only that's left is for you to say something childish to get in the last word. Have at it!

 

You obviously don't understand what that term means.

 

Sure. This ground has been covered. Legal and verbal challenges to the results........no problem. But he broke the law in orchestrating an illegal conspiracy to stop Biden's certification. In part by the plan to submit slates of fake electors. Why is this so difficult for you to grasp?

 

You democrats should be intimately familiar with all of the indictments by now

 

to answer the question of why I was ok with Hillary Clinton..

I did not particularly like her...but I did not despise her either

she forgave her husband for getting a blowjob from a young intern..and yes he lied about it

not every women can be so forgiving when her husbands sidestepping is public knowledge..

many women know their husbands are getting something on the side

but when it stays private the woman can ignore it and not lose her pride

Hillary showed the entire world she could be humble and accept life on life's terms

when trump spanked her in 2016, yes she whined and cried...but in the end she took it like a man and went away

when Obuma spanked her in 2008 she did the same....she took the defeat like a man

and she had a front row seat for 8 years watching her husband Bill hand a balanced budget to Bush

we all know that is the last time the country has had a balanced budget

Hillary knows politics much better than she knows elections

and this is the worst part of politics..the person most qualified does not always win an election.

running an election is more difficult than holding office,,, IMHO

and now Biden

the man rode an amtrack train for 30 years....he knows poltics and the underhanded deals that take place behind closed doors

and despite the underhanded ways of politicians, Biden was never found to be crooked...so he is smart enough not to get caught

Biden is compassionate and understands tragedy that few people know

yes Hunter is a screwed up disgusting drug addict...but every family has at least one

for 8 years Biden had to be humble and play second fiddle the first Black president..

and in the 8 years of Obuma/Biden there were no scandals ..he helped pass Obamacare .

Biden has tried to do something positive to help the American people..

it is easy to second guess everything a president does..

Biden has taken his losses and claimed his victories with class ..

nobody says Hillary or Joe Biden are angels...but they are not demons either

 

Trump simply asked for a recount with signature verification in GA where the margin was less than 1/4th of one percent and we had photos and video showing all kinds of very serious problems with the election.

https://legalinsurrection.com/2023/...-stolen-but-old-tucker-clip-raises-questions/

That's not improper.
That's not illegal,
And it's certainly not a felony.

Polling has been moving against the these politicized charges against Trump for questioning a clearly questionable election. I predict that as this process unfolds that more and more people, who currently accept that Biden won GA will begin to have serious doubts that Biden won, which will cast doubt on the 2 senators that won on the same system which is why Dems currently control the Senate.

When you look back, I think you'll regret this attempt to put Trump in prison for questioning a VERY questionable election.

Dems Assault on free speech and future election challenges.

https://jonathanturley.org/2023/08/...d-trump-is-serious-but-dangerous/#more-208547

 

By that standard, Gore et al broke the law in 2000. Should he have been charged?

 

What'd he do?

 

Sorry, I'm not entertaining any sea lions today. There have been several posts about what he did in this thread, feel free to skim things and come back when you're caught up.

 

Jesus, man, just concede that the comparison is ridiculous. You don't have to keep digging up your favorite nutter blogs to post all over this thread.

 

I will answer the question posed in the original post....

Nothing at all, absolutely nothing attractive at all about either one of them.

 

I don't agree, and that's not a crime.

 

https://www.google.com/search?q=sta...#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:e355c5e9,vid:G1YXTP7u8Ds

If there had been thousands of voters purged from the rolls by one of the candidates as Sec. of State in a close state election with that candidate winning by 55K votes, IMO, the loser has a legit complaint to make.

On a single day in late July 2017, Kemp's office had removed from the rolls 560,000 Georgians who had been flagged because they'd skipped one too many elections. Abrams would later call the purge the "use-it-or-lose-it scheme." An APM Reports investigation last year estimated 107,000 of the people purged under the policy would otherwise have been eligible to vote last year, just like Baiye.
https://www.apmreports.org/story/2019/10/29/georgia-voting-registration-records-removed

 

Their defenders are partisan hacks.

 

Part of being a great leader is understanding how to delegate authority without delegating responsibility.

Great leaders effectively delegate authority to their subordinate leaders.

 

Yeah, I do think Abrams had some legitimate complaints. At a minimum, Kemp should have stepped down as secretary of state before running. Anyway, I'm just trying to use language that the person I was responding to would be receptive to.

 

You are absolutely wrong, and your false equivalence is emblematic of what Republicans do all the time, generally, and are doing, specifically, in this thread. There is a proper way to challenge the results of an election: through the legal system. That is what Gore did. That is what Trump did as well, like 60 times. Both lost their legal challenges. That is where the similarity ends, because Gore accepted his defeat; Trump did not-- he tried orchestrating all sorts of illegal schemes, to stay in power. His cohort tried to gain access to voting machines in a Trump-friendly, Georgia county, to tinker with the results, then use that as proof of problems, which would then call into question other counties. Trump wanted, in fact, to use the military, in order to confiscate voting machines.

The Trump team was also behind a plot to send fake electors to Washington. That was illegal. Gore did not do this. Trump tried to get his Vice President to illegally reject the electors from some states. Gore, who was serving as Vice President, did not try to do this, either.

So, it is not merely the questioning of results, which is the criminal conduct-- it was Trump's other endeavors, to obfuscate and overturn those results, which were illegal, and which no past Presidential candidate has ever attempted.

 

Gore committed an unconstitutional act to overturn an election. Yardmeat says that's a crime. Got a problem with that? Take it up with him.

 

You think Biden is giving the orders in the Executive Branch? Be honest.