What is the Republican plan to fight racism?

And yet you're still failing to tell us what the Democrat plan is...

 

You can't legislate morality.
Strengthening family values of love, fairness, and decency is they key. The government can't do much in that arena.

 

From my experience here, I think you will find that Republicans don't generally think that blacks are racially oppressed, any more. Racial differences in statistics, as regarding the criminal justice system, for example, will typically be attributed to the different behavior of blacks, being explicative. I have seen a poll, confirming this stark difference along political lines-- but, since it's your thread, I'll let you look it up.

If Republicans here feel there is a problem with racism, they seem more likely than not to believe that racism is directed against whites.
Let me know, if you don't find my expectations to pan out.

 

So you don't think the difference is in the criminal justice system could possibly be caused by the fact that they commit a far greater majority of crime for their population numbers and that that is reflected in things like the prison population and arrest rates and convictions?

 

I think conservative Republicans are fine with things just the way they are, and do not view racism as any big problem in present society. Indeed, the news often seems to dishonestly twist facts making stories out of nothing trying to make it look like racism is a much bigger problem than it is.
In fact there are some laws that have been passed that I think Republicans would even try to roll back, because they cause more problems than they solve, or because they infringe on individual freedoms and right to choice.

 

Ban speech about it, especially at schools.

 

Don’t listen to the happy bird. There is no evidence that fighting racism increases racism. In fact just the opposite has occurred. He is in the right-wing camp thinking that. Racists hearing complaints of racism feel they are being picked on because of their racist beliefs. Well, yeah, boohoo, society has moved on without them. He wants us to think of everyone as “individuals”. All well and good for interpersonal relations ,until that person has an issue with or wishes to celebrate the group they belong to and if that group is a race then they are acting “racist”. That is something I have heard many times from racists.

 

Correct. Fighting racism doesn't increase racism. Pushing racism while purporting to fight it does. Pushing for racial discrimination and segregation does. Pushing race as important does. Seeing beyond race and treating people as the individuals that they actually are does not.

Why are you pushing white pride white nationalist ideology, and pretending to be against racism?

 

Where is the poster "pushing white pride white nationalist ideology"??? I've looked at previous posts and don't see it.

 

You said “efforts to ‘fight’ it (racism) these days do much more to increase rather than decrease it” and that is what I responded to, but now it’s “pushing racism while purporting to fight it does”. That’s a little fuzzy, maybe something the right would come up with. Could you give an example?

You can be proud of your race without being racist. I can say I am proud of the Japanese for their unflagging politeness. White nationalism as well as Black nationalism (as in the Nation of Islam) is racist and I am not in favor of same.

 

Yes. Note that "fight" is in quotation marks. I was referring to people who purport to fight racism while calling for racial discrimination and segregation. They are not actually fighting racism. They are pushing for more of it. They claim the label "anti-racist" while being the opposite.

Basing aid programs on race instead of need.

Hiring anyone based on race when race has nothing to do with the job.

Having areas of any building in which people of any particular race are told they are not welcome.

Having different admissions standards to any school based on race, such as telling Asian applicants they need to score higher than white applicants to get in. Or even telling them outright that "we have enough of your kind already" as happened to a friend of mine.

And so forth. All of the above used to be recognized as racist, but recently we have seen more and more people engaging in the above while claiming to "fight" racism.

I don't see how. Being a particular race isn't something you accomplish, isn't a group you choose to join, isn't a culture with any particular traditions, etc.

As a nation, or as a race?

How about white pride? Do you consider that racist?

 

....and how about that Joe Biden who was part of the anti -black Senate when he was a Senator and then when he is President is anti-white. That boy is racist depending on which way the political winds are blowing. Then again, he's not alone, after all if it wasn't racism, they couldn't keep the masses in check and beholding to the political elite.

 

He is just senile. He's also a white supremacist

 

Oh! I see he didn't fool you. You can bet your sweet behind he is. Senile? That's always been a great defense for the bosses of crime families when the S--T is about to hit the fan.

 

They could start by passing a law that all forms of collecting racial identity be scrapped. Abolish all programs that include quota's based on race. Classify all people born in America as "Americans". All immigrants to the United States, seeking citizenship, will be classified as Americans upon their swearing in as members of the United States. PERIOD.

 

Unless you are prepared to state, whether opinion or otherwise, that the overwhelming majority of blacks who have been charged and convicted of crimes that include some time in prison are in fact innocent of the charges that most of them actually pled guilty to, then it is precisely because of their behavior that caused their personal legal problems.

I am not a person who sits and watches cable news all day and night, most days I get my news from various places online and from the local news, usually at 10pm, 11pm, and sometimes both. Yet, even casual observation of those news programs demonstrates pretty conclusively that when it comes to crime, the black community has a problem. When I hear that such-and-such was arrested for some violent crime (the kind that carries decades in prison and tends to make at least local news), I would estimate (and it is an estimate, as I do not keep a log) that approximately 80% of them are black. When I see videos of those smash-n-grab robberies (of jewelry stores, other high-end retail, etc.), the perps are nearly universally black. While my area was almost untouched by the Summer of Riots in 2020, we did have one, and during it, a CVS (or perhaps it was a Walgreens, but in any event it was a run-of-the-mill drug/convenience store that we've all heard of and likely shopped in at some point) got looted, and I saw the video from their internal security cams and, in this event (which is the ONLY one I have personal knowledge of), literally 100%, without even a single exception, of the people in the tapes that were made publicly available were... black.

Now, I'm quite sure your initial reaction to reading this is going to be to think that I am racist, and that's fine, I've been called much worse simply for being white, but I'm just the messenger here. I am testifying to what I see presented on various local news stories. So, this is not spin, it's not opinion (aside from my 80% guesstimate, which is likely not completely accurate, but ain't far off either way), it's fact. For example, if you can find the tapes of the store looting near USF in Tampa in the summer/fall of 2020, you will see with your own eyes that, as I said, literally every single person who participated in looting that store (and there were multiple dozens if not hundreds) were black. Fact, not opinion.

So, if your only response is to label me a racist and so forth, don't bother. You can believe me, or not, at your option, but I am not in the habit of presenting false facts. To the contrary, I go out of my way to not do so, and many times I have avoided presenting information (about various things, not just as they apply to race relations) that I have read/heard if I could not find sufficient documentation that it was true, even when it felt/sounded like it likely was.

 

Ah, the old right-wing argument that affirmative action is racist and causes a greater racial divide. Well, it does make racists angry. Affirmative action is a temporary solution to persistent inequity that will go away when somebody judges we have equity. The right likes to harp on merit. Its not everything. An all white police force policing a Black city feels like an occupying force. Hiring more Black policeman even though they may have lower scores will improve public cooperation and help the police force better understand the public’s needs. There are other things to consider besides merit, like different world views and experiences that have been previously ignored and are now considered valuable.

Here’s a reprint from another thread about admission standards: If Yale gives added weight on admission to a star athlete does that mean non-athletes are being targeted with discrimination? If a kid with an 1800 SAT is chosen over one with a 1600, does that mean non-1800s are targets of discrimination? Discrimination is unfair treatment because of who or what you are. The university decides what is fair according to its needs. The 1600 SAT kid can’t call foul because the university prioritizes a higher SAT. The university gives added weight to legacy admissions and minority admissions just like it does for star lacrosse players, because that is what it thinks is a well rounded university.
It seems some people only have a problem with the system when race is involved.

I think there is some blurring of the lines between race vs culture, which I fall into too. You can list races like white, black, south Asian, east Asian, Hispanic….All can be broken into multiple cultures. White is not a culture but many subcultures. They can say they are a proud Scot or Hungarian or red neck, but saying you are a proud “white” is quoting white supremacists. Being black is not a culture it is also made up of many subcultures. They may say they are proud to be a Caribbean, or Nigerian or a Black (African American).

 

First, so what if it is temporary? It is still fundamentally unjust to the individuals who are let in or kept out because of their skin colour or the shape of their eyes.

Second, temporary you say? I'm not seeing how its temporary. It seems to be a growing industry, not a sthrinking one. And will go away when somebody judges we have equity? When who says? The same people profiting from the race pushing industry?

I notice that your first instinct was to decry criticism of this race based discrimination as "right-wing" and to imply such criticism of this racial discrimination as itself racist in a rather orwellian doublespeak move. And I notice you make no argument for why this is in any way fair to people being excluded based on race.

Sure, but that doesn't equate to race. Another common form of racism today is saying we need "diversity" and then pretending having an array of skin colours means the people are diverse in their thinking, even when that couldn't be further from the truth. If you want people with different ideas, and different approaches, then get people with different ideas and different approaches. Support things like Haidt's Heterodox Academy for example.

Yes. And it shouldn't happen. Same goes for rich people getting in simply by having money. Neither of these is based on merit or aptitude, and nor is race.

Yes, but based on (or attempting to be based on) scholastic aptitude, which is appropriate.

Correct. And if the Universtity decides what it needs is to have white people, that's racist. If it decides it wants or doesn't want to have asian people, or has too many of them, that's also racist. This used to be well understood by liberals. What happened? Why am I so isolated now as a liberal still recognizing it?

No. No they can not. Race is biology. Culture is tradition. The two only trend together because of historical artefact. It is an understandable but racist error to present the two as synonymous.

It is racist to presume that because a person has narrow eyes that they must speak Mandarin, know Karate, eat with chopsticks, be good at math, or support the CCP. It is likewise racist to presume that because a person is black that they are good at sports, can't play the violin, are poor, or have a particular worldview or mindset. Same goes for any other race.

You can be black and Scottish.. You can be an asian redneck. Such people exist and are not excluded from those cultures by their race.

 

Pride in anything will be the downfall of that person. It's ego centric focused on vain glory.

 

Pride in your accomplishments makes sense, so long as you don't obsess. Being a particular race that you were born isn't an accomplishment though of course.

 

No!

Pride in your accomplishments is vanity, plain and simple. Vanity is selfishness, this does not please Christ at all. Do we not seek salvation through the saviour?

 

LOL @ Mr. "No way to god but me" Jesus of all people being invoked against pride.

 

What?

You didn't know pride is a sin?

 

Apparently not for Jesus or God.

 

“The fear of the LORD is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate.” proverbs.