What Is Your Opinion On The Occupy Wallstreet Protests And Would You Join Us?

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  1. Archer0915

    Archer0915 New Member

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    I read that and loved it; just loved it.
     
  2. P. Lotor

    P. Lotor Banned Past Donor

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    I might be, I just have not encountered any yet who would legalize competing currencies that wall street cannot print. Are you an ows that wants to end wall streets money monopoly?
     
  3. liberalminority

    liberalminority Well-Known Member

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    free health care, education, etc... is part of the general welfare of the constitution as with the other entitlements on the list, no one is demanding free money to live in excess

    we want those who do live in excess to sacrifice some of their luxuries to increase our standard of living that is all that is being demanded
     
  4. homerjay_s

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    Well, I support the OWS movement...and this kid in particular...

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mv-MACzLMQc"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mv-MACzLMQc[/ame]
     
  5. P. Lotor

    P. Lotor Banned Past Donor

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    ok, well you're one of the few you does support ending the money monopoly. undoubtedly there are more, but from my experience most OWS scoff at getting rid of the paper dollar monopoly, and at the same time whine about how much money bankers make.
     
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    I would suggest that the majority of them don't even know that it is a problem let alone why.

    Most of them only really understand that something is wrong and they don't really know why. There is no definitive future in the US anymore. That is because our government, the tool with which we maintain law and order and secure liberty and justice, has been corrupted and is used to enforce a big government for big business globalist agenda that doesn't support the interests of the country. There is no jobs program because the goal isn't to increase jobs or production in the US. The goal is to leverage the US domestic market and the wealth of the American people as a means of externalizing the costs to access and exploit foreign markets that afford a comparative advantage. Big business doesn't fund our military, but they certainly get to take advantage of our military advantage abroad. Big business doesn't fund our welfare system, but they get money flushed into the economy to support the purchase of their consumable products.

    It's not merely the money supply that is the problem. It is the corruption of the system that has attained corporate oligarchy. The private control of the money supply is a symptom of the corruption, not the cause.
     
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    See, this is where my fellow liberals need to go back an reexamine the meaning of our nation's founding documents. "Promote the general welfare" doesn't literally mean to provide entitlements. If this was the case, we would have had a Great Society created right after ratification of the Constitution. Instead, it merely means to promote economic growth and health. Now, there are many interpretations of this, but the most obvious one is that promoting economic growth meant laissez-faire economics. It is easy to consider this legitimate because up until the New Deal, laissez-faire economics would dominate the United States.
     
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    absolutely. undoubtedly there are other problems. but my belief is that the money monopoly is the biggest problem, and that it makes possible a great deal of the other problems.
     
  9. homerjay_s

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    It's a big problem, but the corruptibility of government is what allowed it to manifest and continue.
     
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    P. Lotor Banned Past Donor

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    Well in a way, yes. I can't think of any way to make men less corruptible. Money manipulation is their most egregious corruption because it finances the rest of the corruption.
     
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    What are they teaching in schools these days? Unbelievable. You have straight ghetto logic.
     
  12. homerjay_s

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    We need to eliminate the influence of money on the electoral and legislative process. If all men are supposed to be considered equal where the law and government are concerned, financial advantage should not be allowed to garner political favor. Right now, the system is designed to allow money to determine the outcome.
     
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    Taxpayer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Got a TV? If so... you live in excess.
     
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    There you have the right wing elitist mentality folks. Got a tv? Well, you have plenty. That's their philosophy and their mentality. Unless you're starving and have flies buzzing around your weightless body, you have enough, or TOO MUCH. Hell has plenty of fuel to keep the fire going for sure.
     
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    When all you are left with is silly hyperbole and you ignore the issues raised you have nothing.
     
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    RtWngaFraud Banned

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    I think the correct republican mantra is "as long as you ignore the issues and you're personally doing well, then that's all that really matters" (long as you have it all....right?)
     
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    I've found more often it's folks on the left who feel entitled to judge whether their neighbor has enough or too much. But if you are not paying your own bills and demand I give you something in the name of charity... ya, I'm curious why I should be paying for your TV, iPod, or cell phone.
     
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    Liberalminority must not have been listening in his history class.
     
  19. That Guy

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    Why I support Occupy Wall Street
    Here’s what I am upset about…
    Large corporations using public space to ship their goods while trying to get out of paying taxes, using unfair labor practices in other countries because they can’t get away with it here, corporate lobbyists having a say in laws by using their donations in exchange for government alliances (if this weren’t true there would be no high paid corporate lobbyists) while the people do not have the representation that they need, an unsustainable economy that bases it’s idea of economic health on growth rather than stability and more evenly distributed wealth. Yes, if these businesses failed a lot of people would loose a lot of money due to peoples pensions, 401ks, and savings being invested in the stock market . I consider that very unfortunate and know that these people were told that it would be sound investment, but I do not support the bail outs. That is the risk of a free market.
    The stock market puts distance between the owner of a company and the company’s practices creating a company who’s only goals are to make money without any moral code. All that the owners see are numbers, not the faces of people being abused by this corrupt system. Why would it be in our best interest to support a company who’s only financial ties with our country are through high level management and investors? Why is it the American trend to cut out all labor from our own country? I realize that ill informed and desperate consumers are a big part of the problem. I also see this as a downward spiral. The less jobs in the U.S. the more desperate the consumers, the more Walmart sells (for example). Yes, these products that you buy for a ridiculously low amount of money give money straight to a company that doesn’t support jobs in the U.S. and supports unfair labor practices elsewhere. Why would they if their only goal is to make money? They find the cheapest labor possible both over seas and in their retail stores. They’ve even come up with a way to use one cashier for four registers (i.e. self check out). This is exactly why those prices are low.
    The purpose of a democratic government is to give everyone an equal voice and to create laws and legislation that supports the majority of Americans. The majority of Americans are not CEOs, they are the ones who lost their jobs because the CEOs decided that it was in their company’s best financial interest to send work over seas and pay well under minimum wage for labor. My thought… Why do we sell anything in this country that harms the bulk of our population not to mention the population over seas and the environment?
    I’m not angry because some people are rich. I am angry because some of the richest people in this country got there through the abuse of other people and that my neighbor can work three times harder than any CEO and always live from pay check to pay check. I am angry that most of the Americans in jail are in there for drugs that are no worse than alcohol and are from low income families, that Americans from wealthy families can afford better representation in our court systems and get charges dropped more often, that in order to make money one must have money, that only the wealthy can afford a good education, good food, and good healthcare. I am angry that there is so much pollution in this world because of large companies shipping products overseas, producing products in countries that don’t have strict environmental laws, and using insane amounts of inexpensive petroleum based packaging just because it is cheaper for them. I am angry that the government is not only allowing these unjust labor practices, but also supporting them though legislation such as free trade, implementing laws that make it unprofitable to have a small, sustainable business, and granting large companies patents on our food supplies which they did not invent. I am angry that corporations control our scientific studies, education, healthcare, and the media by contributing money to them. Why should we only learn what a corporation thinks it best for us to know. Pharmaceutical companies should not be able to control what our doctors prescribe to us while other studies are being ignored because they don’t support profit for these companies. I am angry that conservatives have brainwashed Christians to think that they are the moral ones when they support all of this and that news doesn’t have to be factual.
    I am a hard working farmer and educator. I am not complaining about the amount of money that I make even though in this country it is not considered much. I see corruption and it's time to speak out against it.
     
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    Divided We Fall' United We Stand". Lets All Go To A Local Federal
    Credit Union , They Are The Only Ones That Are Lending $ For Small Bussines And Mortages, Then The Big Banks Will Disintegrate And Fade Away.
     
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    Occupy Wall of Text. ;-)
     
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    The majority of America is concerned as to why they are forced to bail out Wall street casino gamblers too. We were told to stuff it and pay up.
     
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    So we're changing the subject? I don't believe any force was involved. The bailouts, which I strongly disagreed with, were done by American's through their elected representatives.

    The choice, again which I strongly disagreed with, was that it would be a net benefit to the nation and it's people. Did Obama make the wrong call? Yes; I think so. Did he tell you to "stuff it an pay up?" I seriously doubt it.
     
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    I totally ignored that post, lol. If a person cannot give their opinion in short concise statements, then I have no interest in reading them.
     
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    Just applying the same standards to you that you want everybody else to follow. The point is we had to bail out the big boys. No choice. If we can be required to bail out millionaire gamblers, then you can pay for cell phones and the like.
     
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