What should the legal status of Palestinians be?

The purpose of this thread is to discuss the fate of the Israeli/Palestinian dispute. First and foremost, the main question is about what you believe the legal status of the people in the Palestinian territory ought to be. Feel free to give your reasons for your position if you so choose

The first choice of recognizing Palestinians as citizens of their own sovereign country is what is known as the two state solution. One common argument against this notion is it would be virtually impossible to create two states out of the territories as they currently stand today, and that creating a viable map for a two state solution would require the forced resettlement of certain individuals in the disputed territories.

The second choice is what would be known as a one state solution, in which all disputed territory between Israel and Palestine would exist as a single state, where Israelis and Palestinians are recognized as equal citizens. A common argument against this notion is once Palestinians are recognized as citizens of Israel, the state of Israel would then be over 50% Arabic, which would put Israel's identity as a Jewish state in jeopardy

The third option would be for things to remain the way they are, where Palestinians are not recognized as citizens of their own country, nor are they recognized as citizens of Israel. The common argument against this notion are the longstanding human rights issues of what many consider to be an apartheid state


Which notion do you support? (feel free to make any adjustments/arguments to the notions that you find necessary in the comments)

 

I have yet to understand the or accept the requisite proposition that it is our right or duty to sort this problem out. If the rest of the world would simply butt out they would eventually sort this out between themselves. There is no solution that's going to please everyone. There never has been and never will be.

 

I don't understand it enough to pick one. Read up on it some. So in 1947 the UN put the millions of displaced jews from the holocaust there and made it a 2 state thing? And supposedly palestine was a British colony? The whole thing confuses me. I'll have to read up on it more.

 

One doesn't necessarily have to support foreign intervention on the matter to voice their opinion on what they believe the right course of action might be.

I'm not really making this thread to debate the history of the conflict, so much as I am trying to start a conversation on what the proper course of action for the future should be. Though I can definitely understand how historical interpretation can effect one's outlook on the issue

 

I place palestinians in the same category with sovereign citizens, sanctuary cities and captain Ahab.

 

The right decision is whatever mutually agreeable decision the two of them can work out between them with out any outside interference whatever.

 

Everybody loved Israel after the Holocaust. Then when they made the desert bloom and got successful and got well after the Holocaust they then "transitioned" into the evil persecutors, just a bad as the Founding Fathers of the USA.

So now the MSM elites want everybody to hate Israel.

 

The conflict is about land, Palestine is under annexation by Israel, and has been for several decades. The question is what to do with this territory, do we recognize it as a separate state from Israel, a part of Israel, or does it remain a colony of Israel?

 

The proper course of action for the Palestinians is to continue the fight for their freedom as long as it takes. It's naive and patronizing to tell them to do anything else.

 

What does their freedom look like, is it being recognized as citizens of their own sovereign nation, or is it being recognized as equal citizens of Israel?

 

Umm...not true. There were no Israel to speak of after the Holocaust, until the Brit and the USA decided to grant Jews a homeland. What they should have done then too, were to let the Palestinian also have a place call home then perhaps we wouldn't have the predicament we have now?

 

Until the Palestinians abandon terror, I don’t see any permanent & peaceful resolution.

 

So you support Israel and its land grab and illegal settlements?

 

I think the Middle East is a giant hemorrhoid filled with religious zealots who prefer death over life.

 

On both sides, yet we support one.

 

The West Bank and Gaza ought to be recognized as independent, sovereign nations with all the attendant rights and privileges. Furthermore, all international support should be immediately withdrawn from the Israeli government, and discussions about how to place Jerusalem under international control should be started in earnest.

 

So if they get exterminated for carrying on an unwinnable fight that's okay with you? Rational people after a while - its been almost 70 years now - learn to deal with a reality as it is rather than as they wish it to be.

 

The map is of course a total and completely debunked lie. The Palestinians did not own even a fraction of the green-colored land (half of it is the Negev desert unsuitable for habitation at the time in the first place) on the left-most map and Israel does not own even half the white-colored land on the right-most map.

These maps do demonstrate your personal bias and propensity to accept Islamic propaganda at face value.

 

Interesting angle to take. You’re really asking the age-old question of what the political structures in the region should be but there is always benefit in focusing on the human beings involved rather than the abstract lines on maps.

I’m certainly no kind of expert but it’s always seemed to me that some kind of two-state solution is the only route that could secure any kind of peace. A single state would need to be secular and I don’t see the vocal extremes on either side accepting that. From a British point of view it feels very much like Northern Ireland in some ways. Half the population want one thing and half want to opposite with no scope for compromise or middle ground so the best that can ever be achieved is some kind of ongoing truce where everyone can believe they might achieve their aims one day, however unrealistic that might actually be. They just need enough realists in positions of power to make it actually happen.

 

So we put you down for extermination the Israelis as quickly as possible because that's what you'll have to do to make that happen.

 

This confrontation has been going on for decades. Both sides are intransigent in their position. Now that the United States no longer serves as "honest broker" in the region there is even less chance of any peace settlement. Poor little Israel is a nuclear superpower in the region. Let them figure it out. Meanwhile, dining in a Tel Aviv restaurant will continue to be a risky business. Land or life - make up your minds. IMO they can all go to hell.

 

Typical Israeli apologist. When you cannot argue reality, simply make something up and hope no one notices.

 

Dude if You think Israel will give up Jerusalem as It's capital without a fight you're kidding yourself.

 

So are you backing away from your previous false statement? Or are you just pretending like it never happened?

 

That was the point of my previous last statement. The person to whom I was responding was arguing that Jerusalem should in essence be taken from Israel which I;m quite certain Israel would see as an act of war and respond accordingly. You'd have to kill a crap load of Jews to make that happen.