What the Wall is really about

Hmm? Using my armchair psychology, that looks a bit like projection, but who knows?

I don't have a working theory. I stated my opinion that no one, not even Trump doesn't know what he wants, when it comes to the "wall." He's said it might be fencing in some places, and he's also said, no, "the wall" is going to be a wall.

You read that as me thinking Trump wants to imprison Americans? Interesting. Then you call me "clinically paranoid." That's called a straw-man. It's a logical fallacy. You set up an argument, that I didn't make, and attack the straw man argument, rather than the substance of my post.

I say Trump isn't going to get "the wall" as a WALL, and doesn't really expect to anyway. Would you like to refute that with your opinion?

 

I thought this was going to be about the Pink Floyd movie.

 

I'm with you, but let's face facts for a moment:

Trump promised his followers a "wall." Most rational and intelligent people realize that, even if you had a physical wall, it would be ineffective for the promised purpose. Still, that is what he promised and that is what he was obligated to deliver.

NOW, they are talking more about technology and so forth, but here is the straight skinny. As it now stands, in order to enforce the wall, we have a Constitution Free Zone within a hundred miles of the border. Constitutional protections are already suspended within a hundred miles of the border. And now, with the "technological wall," we're looking at more and more Liberties to be restricted just to enforce unconstitutional acts aimed against foreigners.

 

The success of the wall in San Diego demonstrates that's not true.

 

Nonsense. You pay "well" for illegal aliens. US citizens will cost you more. Raise your wages 50% and your labor shortage would disappear.

 

Okay Donald Trump. Not all of us have 50 percent more to pay for the same job. Tell some guy on a fixed income (like Social Security) to spend 50 percent more on his lawn maintenance and then tell him where the extra money will come from.

The great thing about America is that not all of us need you to tell us what we can and cannot afford. AND, you can't tell us who to do business with.

 

He's already broken lots of campaign promises. Breaking one on the wall will be no different. The thing is, he can't build the wall. He needs money to build the wall, and the President doesn't control the purse strings. Congress has to appropriate the money, and they aren't interested in doing so. "The wall" will not be built, but we very well may beef up border protection. That is the logical and expected thing among most rational people, but some are insistent on a physical wall. Those people are deluded, if they think it is going to happen.

 

Fully Loaded New Ford Fusions used to smuggle pot into the US, stealing jobs from US growers!

Mr. Trump, BUILD THAT WALL!

 

Soooo you mean you cant afford to pay your workers "well".

 

I think I saw the same argument supporting slavery
http://www.ushistory.org/us/27f.asp
Guess what? we still got sugar and cotton.

Whats more, employers who are willing to pay appropriate wages are merely competed out of existence.

 

There are a lot of people in the state of Georgia that have low incomes and fixed incomes. And no sir, they cannot afford to pay "well." Let's talk about what "well" is.

I needed a small deck built. An ad is placed on Craigslist. The big box guys hang out there just like the independent guy trying to get a few bucks together. The big box guys wanted $1275 to $1600. The Bubba guy with his gas hog comes in at $1100. Three Mexicans come up and the guy says we'll go to Home Depot, I pay for the material and they will do the job for $325. I spent $286 in material, the job was done before lunch and everybody is happy.

So, you think someone should pay DOUBLE for the same job? At what level does that make sense to you? Now, of course if you have a company and a guarantee for your work, etc. then I would be expected to pay for that security. IF, on the other hand, you are an independent contractor and you work off a 1099 and I have no guarantee - why pay you the same that I'd pay the big box guy? Breaking that job down, it took under nine man hours. I paid $36 an hour and you don't think that is well paid?

Where I live, a lot of people make just about what I was making at the time (which was 60 percent of my salary while on medical leave.) In dollars, that is $1092 per month before taxes. How much money do you think, realistically, people on fixed incomes can afford? You set yourself up as their God by telling them what they can and cannot afford, so help me out here. My property tax alone is roughly 15 percent of my monthly check. What about my other expenses? What do you think people can afford?

Where I live, you could do handyman work for $25 an hour. All you need are basic tools and a pickup truck. You could work all the hours you want, but even if you're lazy as Hell you can knock out $48 GRAND a year on 40 hour work weeks and take a month off each year for holidays and so forth. That's $48 GRAND a year for a skill set that Mexicans from third world countries learn in six to nine months. Yet Americans think they should be paid on par with college graduates. You advocate something for nothing.

There is no shortage of jobs in the United States. I offered that job to my brother in law. He passed and all he does is sit on his a** at his house and smoke pot. He thought I should pay him consistent with what the big box companies charge, but he has no problem working for $8 an hour in restaurants when he needs to raise a few bucks to get his pot. The white kid next door sits on his a** playing computer games all day. The Mexican kid across the street (about the same age) goes through the neighborhood charging a few bucks to cut lawns - INCLUDING the sorry a** white kid's lawn.

In Georgia crops have rotted in the field because all the visas were claimed by April and the farmers could not get enough people. One guy advertised on Craigslist and in his local paper; he advertised with the Dept. of Labor. He only got a half a crew. The jobs are here and people don't want to work them. The average American wants to neglect their education, fill their body with drugs, wear enough tattoos and body piercings so that they look like circus freaks and when life gets too difficult, they want the taxpayer to help fund their "legal" drug habit consisting of psychotropic drugs. And I'm not even getting to those who become criminals, gang bangers, and the class of people that waste their lives living in jealousy because some some broke third worlder got a minimum wage job the American won't work in the first place.

Got anything else? OR do you still advocate that people choose between paying inflated prices and not eating or buying medicines compared to over paying people that only spent a few months learning their job skills?

 

So you deprived the tax-paying American an honest price for his work. I hope the deck collapses on you.

 

You're not very intelligent, are you? What's honest about charging more than one can pay you? I'd say that if you had to choose between losing your home, doing without food or medicine OR worrying about paying some under educated American MORE than he'd make working for a corporation your tune would change.

I'd further bet dollars against doughnuts that, at this time of day you are the kind of guy that just got out of bed while you live in mommy's basement and you don't have a job, do you? So, here you are trolling and trying to get a rise out of people. I'd bet everything I own that you couldn't do a day's work even if your very life depended on it. People like you make me want to vomit.

Now, there is a guy that thinks $48 GRAND a year is not an honest wage for a skill set he can learn in six to nine months. Yet he's pissed off because somebody he don't like works a minimum wage job.

If you get off the drugs, cut your hair, get rid of the tattoos and get a GED, maybe somebody will hire you to work for minimum wage as a janitor. It's a worth a try, buddy.

 

You were building a deck, not buying food or medicine.

 

The wall is a symbol of common sense. Why let illegals in?