What the Wall is really about

An interesting observation one of the talking heads made. The wall is a symbol for keeping the future out. People living under the illusions that this is a white country for white people only see the wall as a way to keep the world out. It is like security blanket that will keep the boogie man away.

That makes sense. No one along the border including Republicans think the wall would change anything. That's why most of them oppose it. But the logic doesn't apply because it isn't about keeping immigrants out. It is about denying reality. It is about making the world go away. It is about living in the past. It is about fear of the unknown.

It always comes back to the same point. The right wing is all about fear.

 

The very idea of this physical structure that the bat crap crazy Trump fans have in mind is so pathetically archaic. They have an innate desire and need to devolve. Immigration will never be controlled by such dark age methods. But hey...most of their beliefs are from the dark ages.

 

Most illegal immigrants come here on VISAs and overstay their time.

 

Why isn't the birther-in-chief signing one of his executive orders to actually hold the folks that hire undocumented worker responsible? He's so FOS as he utilizes non-American workers at his $200,000 per year membership country club.

 

I agree the wall is symbolic but you lost me after that.

Why are you liberals so against sovereignty? Bizarre.

 

I agree the wall is symbolic too, but I resent as a fellow "liberal" that you just think people want a wall out of narrowmindedness. People that are in favor of the wall have serious concerns that have not been adressed for ages. Instead of bashing people afraid of immigration and problems it can bring along, it's better to first acknowledge these problems and then find a decent way to solve things while sticking to liberal values.

 

We HAVE sovereignty already!

 

You couldn't be more delusion and wrong and nice try at the "race baiting" which seems to be a favorite and overused tactic of the left wing radicals.

Might I remind you, it was Bill Clinton touting the same measures in regards to illegal immigration and it's dangers. Bush, Obama and now Trump all felt the same way.

http://www.mrctv.org/blog/awkward-moment-when-bill-clinton-sounded-donald-trump

 

I suspect they want open borders or just want to scream "racist" every chance they get for whatever reason.

 

I'm not a liberal.

We have sovereignty. I've had a real problem with walls since Berlin. Walls are a symbol of oppression. They are a tool of despots and dictators.

Funny, Reagan was the biggest voice of all in regards to tearing down walls. Now the bastard children of Reagan want to put one up.

 

The wall is about addressing a multi-faceted legal problem on our Southern Border.

Any dimestore pontificating otherwise by gov-edu-union-contractor-grantee-trial lawyer-MSM Complex thugs upset with the impact on their baby/dependent vote factories is hogwash.

Don't like our immigration, drug, firearm, etc. laws and enforcement of them? get one of your corrupt Complex machine thugs back in office and import those votes as fast as you can. For at least the next four years though? You're just bad air anyone with a brain can smell.

 

Of course.

The Wall is an utterly ludicrous idea and a complete waste of money.

 

Illegal immigration is a perennial favorite topic for politicians across the board, but experienced politicians also know there is a reality to the issue that is both economic and social.

When Trump declared:

"When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."​

Trump doesn't care about the economic or social implications of immigration, he is using the raw red meat of racism as the end all be all of his supporters thinking.

 

A few years ago there was a town in the Midwest that made it illegal to rent to anyone who can't prove citizenship. The farm workers said "Fine!" and all left. The next summer the farmers couldn't harvest their crops in time and it cost them a fortune. The last I read about it the farmers were all going broke. I never heard a thing about it since.

I tried to hire young people to do work on my property. I literally couldn't find anyone willing to work. I did manage to hire two young guys for a few days but that was it. No one wants to do labor. And I'm a really easy guy to work for. I pay well and I don't expect anyone to kill themselves trying.

 

No, sovereignty means a nation has absolute control over who and how people come into the country. On the matter of President Trump doing anything racist please provide your evidence that this is so. Remember nothing is true just because you say it is.

 

Which wing keeps saying the world will end if we don't fire millions of America's energy workers to stop global warming?

 

Do you not recognize the difference between a wall meant to keep people in and a wall meant to keep people out?

It's not "oppression" when a wall is built to keep people out. Who's being repressed? Is it the people trying to leave their country to invade another country? Yes I said invade. When you enter another country illegally, you're invading it.

 

A wall is a wall. It keeps some people in and keeps some people out, but a wall on our southern border will not cure our immigration issues. If we want to stop illegal immigration, the answer is simple and has been available for a long time. Do not allow them to work here. They can't stay here without money. Require employers to use E-Verify and make the consequences ON THE EMPLOYERS strong enough and the problem will stop. Of course, lawmakers can't seem to find a way to make the employers responsible for vetting their employees. So, the problem continues.

 

Obviously, looking at your post....you don't know or care what "racism" actually means.
Plus, no compassion in your post regarding the huge problem of women ...illegals....raped by other illegals as they make their way to our borders.

Why are you protecting MS-13, and social security fraud?

The economic and social impact of allowing people we know nothing about cross our borders can be seen in Long Island where parents are terrified their children will die a gruesome death.

People who are against a border barrior and who show contempt for rule of law are willing to hurt fellow men, women and children citizens. It's as simple as that.

 

Who is going to be kept in by the southern wall? Tell me. Who will be forced to stay inside of America because of the southern wall?
In Berlin they shot people who tried to climb the wall and leave. No one will do that in America. If you want to leave, you can leave. No one and no wall will stop you.

 

When will leftists learn that Mexico is not a race?

 

If I build a wall/fence around my yard, my dog is kept in and my neighbor's dog is kept out. Dogs can't use ladders, but people can. People can also build tunnels.

That being said, I think you missed most of my point. You're right that the wall won't keep people in or out. If we want illegal immigration to stop, it won't be with a wall. It will be with a lack of employment. When people can't work, they can't eat. There's no reason to stay here if they can't work. Enforcing E-Verify on EMPLOYERS will stop illegal immigration. We just lack politicians with the courage to actually solve the problem.. that is, if they actually want it solved. I have my doubts about that.

 

The problem with E-verify is that it takes the onus OFF the employers completely

 

No, its about illegal immigration and lowering the overheads for the fed and keeping jobs in house which increases tax revenue etch etc. Dramatic garbage. Just because your party is propped up by the minority voters does not make its crap true. Keep saying what's required to win those votes, you sell out.

 

If they use it, it does, because it verifies the employee is legal. The problem is the use of E-Verify isn't required. As long as there are jobs available in the US for illegal immigrants, we will continue to have illegal immigrants. I don't think our politicians really want to solve the problem. They just want to throw some tax payer money at it and say they have fixed it instead of actually fixing it. They don't want to take the heat at home from farmers, but want to pretend they are doing something.