What unites LGBTQI+ people?

This guy is FROM the gay community.

 

Many times I've mentioned my sister is gay, and many times I've mentioned both she and I believe there should be no letters, numbers of symbols after LGB which I why I don't use or recognize them. LGB is about what a person is attracted to, all the other nonsense is just that and they're looking to glom on to the LGBers because there's strength in numbers. They need to start their own group.

I'm also noticing how the left is starting to treat drag queens like they're a new gender or something and they'll most likely try to attach themselves to the LGB folks.

 

Palm Springs is where my flamboyantly gay cousin moved to. The place is San Fran south.

 

I’m part Irish and Italian and come from the NYC area and we know how badly those two groups were treated. I don’t feel oppressed, but as a straight white conservative I do feel targeted.

 

And? So am I

I don’t agree with everything some of the louder voices in the trans community are pushing for but overall I see why their inclusion is necessary. I have seen more than one person say they are such a small percentage of the population they shouldn’t matter.

The individual doesn’t speak for everyone and gay people can be bigots also. We have a few of them on these forums.

 

Who is calling for them to have less rights or pushing for them to be a banned topic?

How are you targeted? What laws are being pushed to target you?

I find it interesting when groups that have oppressed others suddenly start acting like they are the actual victims.

 

I am not going to pretend to put myself inside the mind of what the gay community thinks, but I can say that the heterosexual community generally assumes that the gay community marches in lockstep, and this is clear evidence that it does not. This particular guy made it sound as if there are a lot of people in the gay community that feels as he does on the subject. Maybe some of this is related to age.

 

the Irish and Italians were discriminated against and my grandparents told me some pretty bad stories.

How am I targeted? Well, if I was a farmer looking for grant money I’d have to get to the back of the line according to Biden. Colleges are developing programs and classes where whites need not apply. White conservatives are not the first choice when it comes to hiring. Then there is Affirmative Action, and probably a lot more if I took the time to think about it.

 

So that I fully understand, can you please explain how you've been targeted as a straight white male? Who is targeting you, and why?

 

You and I won't come to agreement as I don't believe that trans folk are deluded. But an interesting question arises from the fact that you do. Seeing someone as delusional means they, likely, suffer from a mental illness. Do you think its appropriate to target mentally ill folk? And if one of them commits a mass shooting, who will you blame? Perhaps the people who have targeted them?

 

Ok, I'll tell you how people like me are targeted and you will immediately figure out the who and why.

Certain people must have their feelings respected at all times, but if my feelings go against theirs I'm a hateful bigot.

As a parent, should I speak up at a school board meeting with comments that go against certain agendas I might get visited by the FBI.

Speaking and actually providing facts about certain groups makes me a racist which really, really targets me across so many entities.

People like me are responsible for the sins of the past even though none of my family were here at the time and I didn't capture or sell that commodity.

There's black pride, Mexican pride, gay pride, but if I say I'm proud of who I am I'm a racist.

Even though illegal drugs brought into this country by people I won't mention (because if I did I'm a racist) kill over 100k a year, it's people like me who get labeled as the biggest terrorist threat to this country.

I can go on and on, but you get the idea. Now all that remains are the snarky comments from the left about me being a poor oppressed white boy.

 

I recall a post of yours - about a month ago - where you called said the press secretary looked like a toilet brush. That isn't providing facts about a black woman, that was making fun of her hair, her appearance. If you say things like that, you will be called racist because you made a racial slur. That isn't unfair targeting because you are a white male.

As for the rest, you provide a lot of 'ifs' but no actual examples of you being targeted. With the examples you provided, I see that you are not targeted, but you feel you would be IF you acted in a certain way. So all I can conclude is that you live in fear of being targeted...which is very different from people who actually are targeted.

 

The comment about KJP had nothing to do with her race, that you think it did, well….

And there are plenty of comments about a former president, plenty, but no one calls them bigoted hateful racists. That only happens when you disagree with the guy before him.

Be honest, who do you think would be treated worse, a person who says there are 80 genders or a person who says there are only two?

 

For the most part, the only thing most people in the LGBT community agree with is demanding equality and equal treatment. They are still all individuals.

Saying the gay community marches in lockstep is as moronic and brain dead as saying conservatives march in lockstep.

 

Everyone suffers prejudice. Some are tough enough to say **** it and move on and others let it drag them down.

 

We are discussing current events, if you want to discuss historical events then white men have almost always been the aggressor from the Holocaust to the Trail of Tears.

They are trying to make up for recent events where black farmers were denied even if similarly qualified. This has happened during our lifetimes.

And there are schools and colleges where gay people are outright banned from. I do not know of a class where white people are told they cannot attend, can you list some examples?

What do you mean “first choice”? Why should anyone be given first choice preference dude to their ideology, color or orientation? For the record I think AA should be an illegal practice. People should be hired on merit BUT if businesses are trying to expand into demographics they sometimes have to hired people that understand that demographic.

Billy Bob from Georgia isn’t going to understand what a wealthy woman in Manhattan is looking for.

 

But the atrocities committed by Indians , Africans, Muslims, etc are ignored by the race hustlers.

 

And I've seen gay men on this forum treat you horribly because you refuse to conform to the prevailing ideological and political orthodoxy and what is otherwise expected - as if it were owed - from gay men.

Thanks for your thoughts and time, Poly.

 

If they didn't happen here yep.

 

You do know where American Indians are from. Right?

 

Guess what, what they did doesn't make what we did disappear.

 

What are you talking about? Target the mentally ill for treatment. If your uncle thinks he is Abraham Lincoln would it "help" to call him Abe and thank him for freeing the slaves?

One definition of a delusion is a belief despite evicence to the contrary. If a man think his penis belongs to a woman, and he ain't married to a woman, he is delusional.

 

So?

Not really, no.

See, you see the differences.

Being born into a religious family doesn't mean you are inherently that religion and must remain it. Same goes for politics. It isn't like being born black or gay or trans. You can't change those and they contain no beliefs or views.

Prejudice linking people's inherent traits to particular actions, beliefs, or political movements is neither logical nor ethical, especially when those traits have nothing to do with those actions, beliefs or political movements. Again, being gay isn't any more trans than being straight is.

Yes, they are. You just support one prejudice and not another. Others who support other prejudices can feed your own lines right back to you.

They will say that black people are violent and dangerous, for example, and then say that a non-violent black person can free themselves from the box they are being put in with just a couple of sylables, as you did above.. They can then cite statistics showing the prevalence of black on black crime for example, and then further demand that the onus is on the non-violent black person to set themselves apart or otherwise be presumed a threat based on the colour of their skin, which they didn't choose. You see that mentality in right wing anti-black posts here quite often.

 

I think of you as one of the 'they will say' posters in this forum, with your own agenda for which this 'point' is equally expediant. I recall above when I first replied, that you were either going to get my point or not but I was not going to waste my time. That is because too many transphobes exist .
Not yet sure why you seem to give no quarter in that linked thread, or here on any question, or whether it represents animus, obstinance/ego or equally likely this represents legitimate intellectual disagreement (nobody has persuaded you because their arguments just haven't). But I don't know whether its worth exploring.

 

Two can play at this game. I think of you as one of the bigots pushing prejudice as acceptable, and see you alongside white supremacists and homophobes, with a similar agenda.