What would you have done to contain the Covid Pandemic up front

I had a poster ask me this question, this was my answer.

If I was the president, I would have done the following After instituting the travel ban to help stop this pandemic on January 31, 2020

1. I would have jailed Pelosi on Federal charges of knowingly endangering the public when she went to China Town on Fec 24, 2020 and told everyone her state has this under control and for everyone to come to China Town and support their businesses possibly infecting thousands

2. I would have jailed Cuomo for telling New Yorkers on February 25, 2020 to ride the subways and go to concerts as New York had this under control. That in itself would have stopped him from forcing senior living facilities from taking Covid positive patients saving thousands

3. I would have placed federal troops in EVERY city that was allowing mass protesting and burning of businesses and jailed every public official that were allowing these riots to continue for knowingly putting Americans lives at risk for a political end and instituted marshal law where required.

4. I would institute heavy fines and even arrest of any news organization or news journalist that KNOWINGLY falsifies information to the public.

5. I would NOT allow the federal government to put a bounty of Covid patients giving these hospital an additional 16K for every person they deem as a Covid patient.

6. I would make it ADMIRABLE CLEAR that any elected DC politician that KNOWINGLY falsifies information to the public will be held accountable in front of a military tribunal.

If that would have happened, you would then find out why the common Flu, Respiratory illnesses, and phenomena deaths are down 1/5 of the lowest on record.

What would you have done different?

 

seriously............Monday morning quarterbacking?

Bottom line, when Trump was told of the virus and started the travel bans, the Democrat media and Democrat party were impeaching him for something that he didn't do.

 

Yeah, agreed. The OP is, what would you have done differently to protect Americans from the Covid pandemic.

 

but we can't Monday morning QB this despite the Democrat Media and Democrat party doing just that during the election last year.

What we now know and also knew then

The world can never be told how the virus actually escaped
The govt are the wrong people to look to when ingenuity is needed
appearances rather than substance is what govt employees and politicians do

Also what we know. Some day, man will no longer walk this planet yet the planet will still be here

 

While I agree with your assessment, I was screaming these same ideas while they were happening.
Why aren't you sending in troops to stop these riots and on and on.

But unfortunately, you are correct. The govt are the wrong people to look to for anything

 

It was a national crisis and should have been handled on a national level not state by state. Instead of having 50 different officials handling their respective areas differently I would have had all 50 states on the same page handling the problem identical to each other.

 

He did not start travel bans, he put in travel restrictions which still allowed more than 40,000 people to come and go between the US and China.

And then he did not a damn thing more for a couple of months.

Had he merely followed the example set forth by Moon Jae-in we would have been in such a better place 1 year ago and today.

 

Your 40K people are American nationals. So you would have banned Americans from coming home to their families? Too bad you didn't know you can't do that.

So none of this happened for 60 days after the travel ban huh.

January 31: The Trump Administration:

• Declared the coronavirus a public health emergency.
  
• Announced Chinese travel restrictions.
  
• Suspended entry into the United States for foreign nationals who pose a risk of transmitting the coronavirus.

January 31: The Department of Homeland Security took critical steps to funnel all flights from China into just 7 domestic U.S. airports.

February 3: The CDC had a team ready to travel to China to obtain critical information on the novel coronavirus, but were in the U.S. awaiting permission to enter by the Chinese government.

February 2: The CDC expanded enhanced entry screening to eight major airports across the nation.

February 5: The Trump Administration and health officials briefed lawmakers on the Federal Government's coronavirus response efforts.

February 6: The CDC began shipping CDC-Developed test kits for the 2019 Novel Coronavirus to U.S. and international labs.

February 11: The Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) expanded a partnership with Janssen Research & Development to “expedite the development” of a coronavirus vaccine.

February 12: The U.S. shipped test kits for the 2019 novel coronavirus to approximately 30 countries who lacked the necessary reagents and other materials.

February 18: HHS announced it would engage with Sanofi Pasteur in an effort to quickly develop a coronavirus vaccine and to develop treatment for coronavirus infections.

February 22: A WHO team of international experts arrives in Wuhan, China.

February 24: The Trump Administration sent a letter to Congress requesting at least $2.5 billion to help combat the spread of the coronavirus.

February 29: The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) allowed certified labs to develop and begin testing coronavirus testing kits while reviewing pending applications.

February 29: The Trump Administration:

• Announced a level 4 travel advisory to areas of Italy and South Korea.
  
• Barred all travel to Iran.
  
• Barred the entry of foreign citizens who visited Iran in the last 14 days.

March 4: The Trump Administration announced the purchase of approximately 500 million N95 respirators over the next 18 months to respond to the outbreak of the novel coronavirus.

March 6: President Trump signed an $8.3 billion bill to fight the coronavirus outbreak.

The bill provides $7.76 billion to federal, state, & local agencies to combat the coronavirus and authorizes an additional $500 million in waivers for Medicare telehealth restrictions.

March 9: President Trump called on Congress to pass a payroll tax cut over coronavirus.

March 10: President Trump and VP Pence met with top health insurance companies and secured a commitment to waive co-pays for coronavirus testing.

March 11: President Trump:

• Announced travel restrictions on foreigners who had visited Europe in the last 14 days.
  
• Directed the Small Business Administration to issue low-interest loans to affected small businesses and called on congress to increase this fund by $50 billion.
  
• Directed the Treasury Department to defer tax payments for affected individuals & businesses, & provide $200 billion in “additional liquidity.”
  
• Met with American bankers at the White House to discuss coronavirus.

March 13: President Trump declared a national emergency in order to access $42 billion in existing funds to combat the coronavirus.

March 13: President Trump announced:

• Public-private partnerships to open up drive-through testing collection sites.
  
• A pause on interest payments on federal student loans.
  
• An order to the Department of Energy to purchase oil for the strategic petroleum reserve.

March 14: The Coronavirus Relief Bill passed the House of Representatives.

March 14: The Trump Administration announced the European travel ban will extend to the UK and Ireland.

March 15: Google announced a partnership with the Trump Administration to develop a website dedicated to coronavirus education, prevention, & local resources.

March 15: All 50 states were contacted through FEMA to coordinate “federally-supported, state-led efforts” to end coronavirus.

March 16: President Trump:

• Held a tele-conference with governors to discuss coronavirus preparedness and response.
  
• Participated in a call with G7 leaders who committed to increasing coordination in response to the coronavirus and restoring global economic confidence.
  
• Announced that the first potential vaccine for coronavirus has entered a phase one trial in a record amount of time.
  
• Announced “15 days to slow the spread” coronavirus guidance.

March 17: President Trump announced:

• CMS will expand telehealth benefits for Medicare beneficiaries.
  
• Relevant Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act penalties will not be enforced.
  
• The Army Corps of Engineers is on ”standby” to assist federal & state governments.

March 17: Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin met with lawmakers to discuss stimulus measures to relieve the economic burden of coronavirus on certain industries, businesses, and American workers.

March 17: The Treasury Department:

• Contributed $10 billion through the economic stabilization fund to the Federal Reserve’s commercial paper funding facility.
  
• Deferred $300 billion in tax payments for 90 days without penalty, up to $1 million for individuals & $10 million for business.

March 17: The Department of Defense announced it will make available to HHS up to five million respirator masks and 2,000 ventilators.

March 18: President Trump signed the Families First Coronavirus Response Act, which provides free testing and paid sick leave for workers impacted by the coronavirus.

March 18: President Trump announced:

• Temporary closure of the U.S.-Canada border to non-essential traffic.
  
• Plans to invoke the Defense Production Act in order to increase the number of necessary supplies needed to combat coronavirus.
  
• FEMA has been activated in every region at its highest level of response.
  
• The U.S. Navy will deploy USNS Comfort and USNS Mercy hospital ships.
  
• All foreclosures and evictions will be suspended for a period of time.

March 19: Vice President Pence announced tens of thousands of ventilators have been identified that can be converted to treat patients.

March 19: President Trump directed FEMA to take the lead on the Federal Government’s coronavirus response & visited FEMA HQ with Vice President Pence for a video call with Governors.

March 20: The U.S. and Mexico agree to mutually restrict nonessential cross-border traffic.

March 20: Secretary Mnuchin announced at the direction of President Trump that tax day will be moved from April 15 to July 15 for all taxpayers and businesses.

March 20: President Trump:

• Spoke with Sen. Schumer about coronavirus response & stimulus measures
  
• Held a call with over 12,000 small business owners to discuss relief efforts
  
• Announced the CDC will invoke Title 42 to provide border patrol with tools to secure the borders

March 21: Vice President Pence announced to date over 195,000 Americans tested for coronavirus and have received their results

March 21: The Trump Administration announced HHS placed an order for hundreds of millions of N95 masks through FEMA

March 21: Adm. Giroir confirmed 10 million testing kits had been put into the commercial market from March 2 through March 14

March 22: President Trump approved major disaster declarations for:

• Washington State
  
• California

March 22: President Trump announced:

• Governors will remain in command of National Guard forces & the federal govt will fund 100% of operations cost
  
• He directed the federal govt to provide 4 large federal medical stations with 2,000 beds for CA & 1,000 beds for NY & WA.

March 22: President Trump confirmed his administration was working with Peru & Honduras to return Americans stranded in both countries as a result of travel restrictions.

March 22: Vice President Pence announced:

• The testing backlog will be resolved by midweek.
  
• To date, over 254,000 Americans have been tested for coronavirus and received their results.

March 22: President Trump announced that the USNS Mercy will be deployed to Los Angeles.

You shouldn't repeat leftist fake news stories.

 

I've never quite understood the fear of 'China Town'. I do get the criticisms of Pelosi for encouraging the gathering - but China Town? Are people, somehow, of the belief that Chinese Americans were automatically infected because of their ethnic heritage? Or, maybe it was because Trump allowed tens of thousands of Americans to return from China, while instituting a ban. Are you under the impression that all of those Americans went to China Town?

 

When you can provide some substance where race could be a determining factor in Covid infections, I will be glad to entertain that. As far as I know, these are just people that all have the same viral reaction to the pandemic.

 

You are talking about American Nationals. Thay aren't allowed to come back, its their right to come back. You can't stop them from coming home.

 

The ban was imposed against a country - not its people. I understand your comment about American Nationals and their rights, but if they are travelling from a country with an exploding pandemic, their entry will endanger America.

 

I am not the one that called it a ban, I merely corrected the false information.

Pretty much everything on your list that was done after Feb 29th was done before the end of Jan in South Korea and we had our first case on the same day.

Why did Trump wait so long?

 

I would have banned foreign travel into the US immediately as soon as the first positive case was detected. I wouldn't have waited almost two weeks like Trump did. I would also have limited travel to and from New York city for medical reasons only.

 

Early on, promote Taiwan’s conservative KKK Strategy;

Keep working
Keep wearing masks
Keep your distance

As I stated several times, we’ve been at war against an invisible enemy, and We, The People are the combatants, and our most important duty is to reduce the spread of Covid19, both collectively and individually. Our best weapons, wear masks, social distancing, and limit gatherings to a minimum.

What’s conservative about Taiwan’s proven strategy?

1. Keep working, thus, good for the economy
2. Strong Defense, thus, once again, our best weapons......
3. Don’t go into debt, thus, prevent/reduce the spread of Covid19 will also reduce spending.
4. Individual responsibility.....protecting yourself will protect others
5. We’re at war, and historically, wars have been harsh on personal freedom. In fact, during wartime, two conservative beliefs have often been in conflict with one another; Personal freedom, and individual responsibility, for example; Blackouts to prevent giving the enemy a target, thus, if a next door neighbor needs a bright light to read his newspaper, and ignores the risk of being a target, then obviously, he’s endangering other people’s lives. Also, said mandated blackout is actually a Public safety mandate, thus, public safety over personal freedom.

6. To Christian conservatives; Thou shalt PROTECT thy neighbor as thyself.

 

Sorry, but I'm going to end your thread with my following research;

What beats your posted timeline is PROACTIVITY, thus, Taiwan's first two weeks of January 2020, and surprisingly, British Columbia's last two weeks of January;

Taiwan's first two weeks of January;

1. Dec 31st, 2020......General Alert
2. Within the first two weeks, retailed masks were dissapearing faster than Monika Lewinsky's lip gloss
3. Jan 15th......Due to a strong domestic demand, Taiwan stopped exporting masks, and in an effort to keep the cost down, several factories were converted to produce masks/protective gear.
4. Jan 21st......Taiwan's first confirmed case of Covid19, travelling restrictions/bans were imposed
NOTE: Ironically, Taiwan's Politicians have never imposed a mask mandate

Taiwan's Covid19 RESULTS as of April 2d, 2021

Population; 24 million
Number of Covid19 Deaths; 10

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British Columbia's last two weeks of January

Jan 15th......BC was the first State in North America to establish a televised Covid19 Task Force
Jan 16th......BC CDC's Health Officials announced that they've developed their own testing kit, (NO FLAWS), and were ready for mass distribution.
Jan 28th......BC first confirmed Case
Fast forward to March 3rd......BC tested and contact traced more individuals than the entire United States.

Here are some reasons why BC was more ready than Trump/U.S.

1. Several key officials in BC's CDC Agency are Asian/Chinese immigrants, and they've quitely ignored the WHO.

2. Early 2000, BC researchers were the first one to decode the SARS Genome;

''BC researchers were among the first to respond, dropping existing work to focus solely on identifying the virus and developing containment strategies. Within six days they had sequenced the SARS genome, and in less than a year, developed three vaccine candidates – successes that received worldwide recognition''

https://www.msfhr.org/news/features/how-bc-researchers-decoded-sars-genome

THUS, BC is world-known for Disease and Control, and they have the professionals, and facilities.

In addition, BC's Health Officer, Dr. Bonnie Henry;

''Her early handling of the COVID-19 pandemic in British Columbia earned praise from the New York Times in June of 2020 that called her "one of the most effective public health officials in the world"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonnie_Henry

BC's Covid19 RESULTS as of April 2d, 2021

Population; 5.1 million
Covid19 Deaths; 1,463
Covid19 Deaths per 1M pop; 286.......Lowest number of deaths per 1M pop in North America

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CONCLUSION.........PROACTIVITY

Proactive behavior involves acting in advance of a future situation, rather than reacting. ... It refers to taking control of a situation and making early changes, rather than adjusting to a situation or waiting for something to happen.

Old proverb; ''The early bird gets the worm''

Bottom line; There will be other pandemic like Covid19, and for said reason, the time has come to accept the fact that we had a very sad REHEARSAL, however, next time, let's do it right!

 

So Asian populations all had a heads up and acted prior to any global pandemic was known while the US and other countries were told by the CDC that their is no evidence of any human to human spread of the virus until January 30, 2020.


The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) today confirmed that the 2019 Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) has spread between two people in the United States, representing the first instance of person-to-person spread with this new virus here.

Previously, all confirmed U.S. cases had been associated with travel to Wuhan, China, where an outbreak of respiratory illness caused by this novel coronavirus has been ongoing since December 2019. However, this latest 2019-nCoV patient has no history of travel to Wuhan, but shared a household with the patient diagnosed with 2019-nCoV infection on January 21, 2020.

“Given what we’ve seen in China and other countries with the novel coronavirus, CDC experts have expected some person-to-person spread in the US,” said CDC Director Robert R. Redfield, M.D. “We understand that this may be concerning, but based on what we know now, we still believe the immediate risk to the American public is low.”

https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2020/p0130-coronavirus-spread.html

And Trump ordered his travel ban the very next day.

 

The countries/states who had a ''heads up'' acted on a gut feeling, and mainly due to decades of mistrust towards mainland China.

In reference to Trump's China travel ban.....

CLAIM; "If I didn’t do that, we would’ve had hundreds of thousands more people dying in the United States''

Rationally improbable! That's just a self-congratulatory claim, however, kudos for implementing cautionary measures.

 

As a government, if we were to accuse China of releasing this virus intentionally, that is accusing them of an act of war.*
IMO, a democrat president would not have stood on the toes of big pharma and told them to take our money, get busy findi g a vaccine, or prepare for a government beat down. We never got a Sars vaccine from Obama until it ended on it's own. He went through the normal health department channels. The government in too damn slow when they should not be.

*The use of "less than lethal" bio weapons is a new idea, and its overwhelming success is not lost on China, and we should prepare for this to happen again.

 

The post above you explains the travel ban.
Chinatown: the virus came from China, there are a lot of illegals sneaking in and out of Chinatown, and there is a lot of legal travel to and from, so it is a miracle the infection did not become an issue there. Conspiracy theorists would wonder how she knew that so early in the game. My theory: It was dumb luck.

 

I think I would have followed the lead of Sweden and Nicaragua

Nicaragua Never Required Masks or Lockdowns and Crushed the Virus - LewRockwell

 

So Tennessee should have been under the same restrictions (right or wrong) as New Jersey or New York?

Population density is a huge factor for COVID.

 

"If I was in charge of the pandemic response, I would use it as an excuse to prosecute political enemies"-OP

50 different policies leave open 50 different gaps. Close down the country on the national level through threats of not giving funding to those who break the rules. From there contain domestic cases and then slowly reopen up when the country has sufficient testing and PPE, along with ventilators, other medical equipment, etc..

 

Quote: Population density is a huge factor for COVID

Is it?

U.S. Number of Covid19 deaths per 1M pop/National Average; 1,718

South Dakota's Number of Covid19 deaths per 1M pop; 2,191, thus, 473 deaths per 1M pop ABOVE NATIONAL AVERAGE..........Despite the following indisputable facts;


1. List of State by population density;

Ranked # 1; New Jersey........1,207 inhabitants per square mi

Ranked # 46. South Dakota........11.3 inhabitants per square mi

https://state.1keydata.com/state-population-density.php

2. List of Metropolitian areas by population; 1 to 384

Ranked #1 New York CIty/Newark/Jersey City.......19,216,182

Ranked # 182; Sioux Falls, SD.......269,728
Ranked # 294; Rapid City, SD........142,107

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_metropolitan_statistical_areas

3. List Urban areas by population density; 1 - 497

Ranked # 1; Los Angeles-Long Beach-Santa Ana........7,000 inhabitants per sq mi

Ranked 112; Sioux Falls, SD.......2,443 inhabitants per sk mi
Ranked 258; Rapid City, SD........1,923 in habitants per sk mi

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_urban_areas

4. List of U.S. Cities by population;

Ranked # 1; New York City; 8,336.817

Ranked # 139; Sioux Falls, SD; 183,793
Rapid City, SD; 80,619

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_population

5. List of U.S. Cities by population density

Ranked # 1; New York City........28,317 inhabitants per sq mi

Ranked # 232; Sioux Falls, SD.........2,312 inhabitants per sq mi

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_population

 

Speaking of Sweden.......

Remember this?


Sweden'S Cronovirus Strategy Will Soon be the World's
Discussion in 'Coronavirus (COVID-19) News' started by Paul7, May 16, 2020.

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/arti...Ic9ZhKMEWuRNBr_X2PDN4v4eNZF3CqNpMtA9291CVuqPo

Very interesting take from the most recent Foreign Affairs magazine on Sweden. They may have herd immunity in Stockholm this month. I sense a growing acceptance that they did it right. The article is dead on, this virus can only be managed, not stopped.

329 REPLIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!.......A gold mine for me, and many replies from ''Eleuthera'', and in this forum, what i enjoy doing most is to ridicule people.

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Question: Did Sweden achieved herd immunity last May?

Let's take a look at their Daily Cases......

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/

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