Whats with all the chickenhawks who did not serve, attacking Paul as dangerous to sec

I agree then we could actually see how many would really walk the walk instead of just talking the talk.

 

I believe you are a coward if you are all for your country going and fighting a war, but you yourself are not willing to put your life on the line for this war you claim to believe in.

 

Why? People are not eligible to be drafted after they turn 26 years old anyway.

Why?

 

Why would you be gungho to send someone off to fight in a war that you yourself would not be willing to fight in. Sounds cowardly too me.

Why do you go to work everyday, why don't you just let someone else clock in and do the work for you.

 

You forgot Obama, he didn't serve either.

 

I'm "gung ho" for a war if I think it defends and or promotes U.S. interests or those of our allies.

I'm not willing to fight because I'm too old, not trained, and pretty much not able.

Thus, I would prefer that we win a war rather than make a point.

 

Unfortunately the US soldier can't pick and choose which wars they want to fight in and which ones they don't.

Well if you are physically unable to fight in a war thats understandable, I am speaking of able bodied folks.

See above.

 

It gives you the perspective of who you are sending into battle that may die for a certain reason. If you don't understand what the troop life is like, it is like assuming you know what blacks went through to get away from their oppression. If you havent lived it, you don't know what its like no matter how many books you read about it.

 

Fire fighters and police work in the place they are trying to protect. the military around the world is not protecting the American public at all. We are in places around the world protecting THOSE citizens and even paying rent to protect THEM. They aren't paying our salaries, but we are there to protect them.

 

I'm sure there is a special place in Hell for people who elect these warmongers and Judas traitors

 

You sound like Falstaff.

Dodging the point.

 

We agree.

We should all fight our own battles.

Of course, that includes economic and social battles as well.

 

If you're too old, you have nothing to worry about. The elderly cannot be expected to fight.

However, the young and able should fight if they want war. Everyone should fight their own wars.

 

Okay.

Let's say worse case the U.S. needs 2 million servicemen and women to fight the worst possible war we can conceive of today.

Now, current U.S. active duty forces and reserves add up to well more than two million.

But.

There are roughly 44 million Americans from the ages of 18-40 IIRC. Including 22 million men.

Assuming only half of those men are physically fit enough to serve, are you suggesting that those 11 million men not in the military have no right to advocate U.S. military action?

and what about the fact of that many U.S. soldiers simply not being needed?

 

Sounds like you are beating around the bush. What you are basically saying is that if someone is a coward and doesn't want to fight they should still have a say so in the fight.

 

Not wanting to fight in war does not make someone a coward.

And yes, every American voter should have an equal say about whether the U.S. goes to war whether they have any intention of fighting or not.

That is a democracy. Everyone has the same voice no matter their direct interests in the issue.

Otherwise you're arguing basically for a dictatorship of the "experts".

 

Chicken hawks, without first understanding the definition.

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Your 'lets say' is silly...we had many times that many in uniform in WWII from 1/2 the population.

I can easily see a need for 10-20 million troops if we had to fight a nation like China.

 

the United States right now could not equip a military of five million in any kind of reasonable time. Much less 10-20 million.

The U.S. military in WWOne topped out at 14 million IIRC but that is misleading as each soldier required far fewer civilian workers to support him than they do now.

 

Correct, but sending someone else to do something that you are not willing to do is.

You do, its called voting.

This country is not a democracy, we live in a Republic which means we are a country governed by Laws.

Why do you elect senators, representatives and a president. Why don't you just go to Washington and represent yourself if that is the case.

 

Why?

I'm not willing to fight fires. I'm not willing to fight crime. I'm not willing to work on the sewers.

But I vote for the hiring and training of people who do want the job and are trained to do the job.

So if a fire breaks out and I want it put out, or a bank is robbed, et cetera. I'm going to advocate sending those professionals to do the job even though I am not willing to do so.

Case closed.

 

I joined the military to protect America. What in Iraq did I need to go there to protect America from? We took out Afghanistan in a matter of weeks, why are we still there? Iran has no possible way of getting a nuke here even if they had one, which they don't, but yet you want to send me off to go kill more brown people that have no way of harming you. I am fine fighting wars against people that are poised to invade us, too bad there is nobody on the verge of doing such a thing.

I am sworn to uphold the constitution, and nothing these past presidents from Lincoln forward has sent us to war to protect the sovriegnty of our nation.

 

The salient point that you're missing is that not only are you having other people risk their lives for you but you would also be insisting that other people KILL FOR YOU. That is a far cry from paying someone to put a fire out.

Quite frankly, the same principle applies to the police. If you wouldn't be willing to personally use force to stop your neighbor from performing a certain action (ie. smoking weed, polygamy, or whatever) then you have no right to ask a proxy to do it for you. How could you possibly justify such actions?

 

I have. When I was stationed in Ft Polk, LA there was a forest fire near the post and many soldiers volunteered to help put it out. Do you have a neighborhood watch in your community, if so you are helping to fight crime. Would you work on a sewer if it effected your home?

Ok, now what happens if there are not enough people volunteering. Now what do you do.

So if someone is breaking in your home, your going to hide in a closet and hope the police will come.

If you are willing to fight a figh, then you should have no say so in the fight. Case Closed.