What's wrong with socialism?

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  1. dnsmith

    dnsmith New Member

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    Hey Reiver, we are only following your example. Anything wrong with that?
     
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    Thank goodness I am the one resorting to the fewest fallacies for my Cause, as a moral and ethic in modern times.
     
  3. Not Amused

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    That government makes wise and effective infrastructure investment? ROTFL.......

    Cell phones weren't even included in COLA until they had been in the market for 15 years. Typical bureaucracy, bloated and slowwwwwwwww.
     
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    You may have missed this part about, efficiency gains from investments in infrastructure:

     
  5. Not Amused

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    What was the return on that $425B investment, in dollars?
     
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    IMO it makes no difference what we call our economic system as long as People and Business get what they need and Government can pay for the government which is demanded by People and Business. I don't care if we mandate beer in all water coolers as long as this is what People and Business desire and the Government can obtain enough tax revenue to pay for it...and this can be done without labeling it socialism. The same applies to retirement programs, universal health care programs, infrastructure programs, etc. etc. etc. as long as the economic system and government taxation system can fund the government programs...
     
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    I am willing to subscribe to this:

     
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    I object to any appeals to emotion with the term "socialism".
     
  9. Not Amused

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    That is a cause and an effect. You have no idea what part of the effect can be allocated to the cause.

    But, let assume that $425B resulted in $15.8T. How much did we spend in the stimulus 4 years ago? How much did that increase the GDP? Did it even increase the GDP as much as it cost?
     
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    I don't consider a "bailout" an effective form of stimulus. Insurance companies may be much better situated to handle that type of risk in the private sector.

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    Better roads and aqueducts must be conducive to improving our quality of life.
     
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    There was both a bail out, and a stimulus.
     
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    Bailing out some citizens in the private sector is not usually considered a "stimulus" but a form of "insurance".
     
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    Lets keep this simple let me give a hypothetical person. Bob the Poet is a talented poet and feels working on the perfect poem is ideal so makes one poem a decade on the average intending to make six masterpieces, deciding that is his passion and vocation he asks the community to support him with a basic level of support $11,490 in 2013 and matching the Federal poverty line plus Medicaid. He does nothing else but work on his masterpieces. Okay under a pure socialist model as the ideal version that would be fine he is contributing to the community and basic support is a small price to pay to a master poet to have six poems. Now what is wrong with that?
     
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    Stimulus in 2009, there was infrastructure spending.

    A battle of wits with an unarmed man - what a waste.
     
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    Eww, why is god name (figuratively) did you have to post a picture of that disgusting excuse for a politician?
     
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    Beats being a wage slave.
     
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    I think it might be time to look at this from a realistic view. And, as of now and the time to be for seen, we really have no choice whatsoever. Obama has shown himself as virtually a king, at least for his reign, he's gonna pass executive orders as he see's needed. People shrug, or don't care, or maybe they do, but know there is nothing they can do about it. It's a sad thing to see our President lecture other countries on what to do, when there is so many problems here. You know why? Because our govt has made our public dependent on govt because of their policies. You get what you wish for. And here it is on a silver platter.
     
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    We should not be providing the entitlement of the general warfare nor the common offense, if the wealthiest are not being burdened with wartime tax rates, even for a War on Drugs.
     
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    Margaret Thatcher was a great person, politician and prime minister of Great Britain. It is a shame we don't use her economic theories more universally.
     
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    There is no point trying to reason with them. Look at this logic:

    Really? This is what we have come to in society?

     
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    Only the right would have a problem with morals and bearing true witness to our own federal doctrine regarding employment at will and State at-will employment laws.
     
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    Thatcher was a pretty dire prime minister, who was overly ideologically driven and plunged the vast majority of the UK into poverty and created a culture of selfishness that plagues British society. I do have to say that she was a good politician though, much better than Cameron is currently as Thatcher appeared to be competent in governance compared to Cameron and his clowns.
     
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    I see this is your first post...welcome to PF Unbound...
     
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    Employment at will sounds good. Shouldn't have to pay someone you don't want to.
     

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