When The Russian Hoax Is Exposed, Should The Democrats Be Held Accountable?

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  1. upside222

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    Dumping tens of thousands of emails from a server can't be done without a large transmission of data.

    So how did Russian hackers get all the emails on the DNC server over the internet without a huge transmission of data?
     
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    The Left's plan isn't to find if there is Russian collusion. It's to trip up Trump somewhere along the line with something else (example: obstruction of justice) that's how they'll get him impeached.
     
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    Judas Priest! He's only been in office for less than four months! It took over twenty years for the Marxist Democrats to engineer the housing bubble failure!
     
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    You can't obstruct justice unless there is an investigation of a crime being undertaken. Collusion is not a crime. If you think it is provide the exact US Code statute making it a crime.
    Firing the FBI Director has obstructed nothing when it comes to investigations. The interim head of the FBI has said so. The DOJ official in charge of the FBI has said so. The Congressional committees charged with overseeing the FBI have said so.

    So where is the obstruction in your mind?

    BTW, both the FBI and the DOJ says there is no *criminal* investigation. What makes you think there is?
     
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    I doubt that's true, but I welcome examples
     
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    That's irony squared!
     
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    I agree.

    Everyone can go to the links, see that they are explicitly joint statements from specific agencies (they're listed), and draw their own conclusions. You've concluded that "The US Intelligence Community" means all 17 intelligence agencies; that all 17 have somehow weighed in and made conclusions, even when their separate missions had nothing to do with any intelligence that would be a factor in this investigation. And even though each joint statement is rather explicit. It's even in the title:
    "Joint Statement from the Department Of Homeland Security and Office of the Director of National Intelligence on Election Security"

    If you can't count the number of agencies involved in the title, then I'm flabbergasted. It's amazing how ideology blinds someone from even simple arithmetic.
     
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    That didn't take too long.
     
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    Sure....you can't discredit them but punish them at the polls for obstructing production in government.
     
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    Please provide your credible non partisan source for this allegation.

    TYIA
     
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    Private individuals attempting to circumvent the Law of the Land and subvert the duly elected government is a crime. Kushner and Flynn were both private citizens when they committed this crime.
     
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    That was the Republicans in cahoots with the Wall Street Casino Bosses and it was called the Contract ON America by Newt Gingrich when he initiated it.
     
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    Senator Graham said that it was a criminal investigation after he spoke with the Deputy AG who appointed the Special Counsel. Your beef is with your own side.
     
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    Just like you punished the GOP for all those pointless Benghazi witch hunts that went nowhere?
     
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    Since nothing I provide will ever be "credible" to you then why should I put forth the effort?
     
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    "Law of the Land"? You mean the US Code? Give me a reference in the US Code that makes collusion a crime. Give me a reference that makes that makes a President-elect setting up back-channels of communication a crime.

    No one except those with Trump Derangement Syndrome has accused Trump and his campaign of subverting the duly elected government. The criminal term for that is "TREASON".
    Give me a reference for a high-ranked official (other than Maxine Waters) that has alleged that Trump committed treason!
     
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    No, sorry. *ALL* of the academic research done over the past decade points to the collapse of the Marxist Democrat housing bubble as the cause for the Great Recession. There was a huge impact on the financial markets but the cause of that impact was the Marxist Democrat housing bubble.

    If there hadn't been a Marxist Democrat housing bubble collapse there wouldn't have been a Great Recession.
     
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    Senator Graham doesn't decide what is and what isn't a criminal investigation.
     
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    Without the Benghazi investigations we would have never known about Hillary's private email server and her criminal activity in keeping classified information in non-secure locations.

    Your claim that the Benghazi investigations went no where is just pure hokum!
     
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    I read that now the collusion investigation includes Trump's personal attorney, eventually anyone who ever dealt with Trump, bought one of his condos, ever played on his golf course, ate one of those Trump steaks or drank his wine, sold him goods or services, transacted in any way with him, met him on campaign, shook his hand, posed for a picture with him, will also be investigated, in fact anyone mentioning his name right here will be targeted by the FISA court before 702 expires.
     
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    You eelpout catchers don't get it Trump's going to shoot himself in his own foot
     
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    Quite the contrary....Americans saw the "evidence". It was admitted that Lois Lerner targeted Conservative Groups. Americans saw 1st hand the lies about Benghazi being the product of a film. Hillary used bleach bit and hammers on her computer devices. How do you wipe them clean??? "With a cloth or something"? There was hard fast evidence. The deep state and the media just made it known there would be no prosecution. Now there has been no evidence and you want to prosecute?
    Anyway, American voters saw the evidence and elected Republicans to all three branches.
     
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    Uh yeah.. because the USIC is literally 17 agencies, and the Director of National Intelligence is the head of the USIC. Hence why the fact checks agree with me, not you
     
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    My point was that they're wrong and demonstrated, with actual facts, why. You don't have to accept it.
     
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    uh huh, it's everyone else who is wrong, and not you
     

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