When The Russian Hoax Is Exposed, Should The Democrats Be Held Accountable?

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  1. upside222

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    Senator Graham doesn't decide if an investigation is a criminal investigation or not. And, in fact, no crime has even been alleged by the FBI.
     
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    upside222 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Ambassadors from Rissia *are* part of their spy apparatus. If any President or transition team talked to a Russian Ambassador then they were talking to a Russian spy.

    Your Trump Derangement Syndrome is blinding you to the real world!
     
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    The problem is that *NO* evidence of any crime or even any wrongdoing has been brought forth. Only allegations - "Kushner talked to a Russian and that must be evidence of a crime!".

    When the police are investigating a crime, e.g. a murder, THERE HAS BEEN A CRIME! So far we don't even have any evidence that a crime *has* been committed. Talking to Russians is *NOT* a crime!

    Investigations without a crime *are* a secret police tactic.

    "In the case of our troubles with Russia, the crime has already been committed,"

    WHAT CRIME HAS ALREADY BEEN COMMITTED?

    Collusion is not a crime. Talking to the Russians is not a crime. Setting up a back-channel for a President-elect is not a crime.

    A foreign country meddling in our election is NOT A CRIME! It may be a foreign relations or diplomatic nightmare but it is *NOT* a crime unless they directly hacked the actual votes. And no one is claiming they did that!

    The case of Hillary's emails DIRECTLY INVOLVED A CRIME! She violated document retention rules - a civil crime at the least. She placed classified information at risk - A CRIME UNDER THE ESPIONAGE ACT! Everything about Hillary's emails were elements of a crime!

    Again, the FBI would only have access to classified information if it was a counter-intelligence investigation. This has never been classified as a counter-intelligence investigation. It has always been couched as an investigation to see if a crime has been committed - A SECRET POLICE TYPE ACTION!

    "the investigation simply means we are taking the necessary course of action to gather more evidence." More evidence of what exactly? A crime? WHAT CRIME?

    What US statute did Russia violate? Can *you* name it? The Marxist Democrats certainly can't! If they didn't violate any statutes then what crime was committed?
     
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    Senator Graham? Really? The guy who got into it with the President during the campaign? :roflol:
     
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    Do tell. What was dishonest about his post concerning the IRS targeting the TEA party groups? It was proven but the Lynch mob/Holder wouldn't do anything about it
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Next time try responding to what I actually posted!

    Here it is AGAIN!

    The Wall Street Casino Bosses could not have set up their own Predatory Lending Banks WITHOUT the GOP DEREGULATING Glass-Steagall.

    It was those Predatory Lending Banks that were UNREGULATED who were making all of those toxic mortgages. The funding for those banks was coming from the Wall Street Casino Bosses because they KNEW that they were NOT going to holding on to them for anywhere near long enough to deal with the consequences when they failed. They sold them off as fast as they could WITHOUT notifying anyone that they were SUBPRIME UNREGULATED mortgages.

    It was a deliberate SCAM and the GOP and the Wall Street Casino Bosses conspired to make it happen.
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2384

    Setting up a secret communications channel using RUSSIAN SPY APPARATUS violates the Law of the Land above.
     
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    But, of course, you must always remember:

    Concepts like the "law" and "facts" go right over the heads of die-hard Trump supporters.

    And as to the OP, the GOP has MUCH more to worry about.
     
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    Why did Flynn ask for immunity for his testimony if he had not done anything criminal?

    Why was that immunity denied if he had not done anything criminal?

    Why did Kushner try to discredit Mueller if he had not done anything criminal?

    Why did Trump obstruct justice by firing Comey if he has nothing to hide?

    Why has Trump "lawyered up" if he has done nothing criminal?
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    The revelation by the Russians was that Kushner SPECIFIED that he wanted the secret back channel to USE Russian Spy Apparatus.
     
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    You're right, as the web is untangled seems more people are being brought into the conversation. http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/3556937/posts. The obstruction thing, if Comey says that the president told him to stop or derail the investigation of Flynn then Comey has committed felonies. This should have been reported immediately and it wasn't, don't expect much help from Comey, he may be crooked but he's not stupid.
     
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    I *DID* reply. The fact that you can't read is not my problem!

    THE BIG BANKS DID *NOT* ISSUE MORTGAGES! Period, exlamation point!

    The big banks bought *SECURITIES* made up of bundled mortgages! Mortgages issued by banks and lending institutions. If the big banks owned these banks and lending institutions then why would they *BUY* them? They would already own them!

    How in Pete's name do you come with the the idea that the big banks bought mortgages that they had already issued?

    The revenues the smaller banks were getting WERE FROM SELLING SECURITIES MADE UP OF BUNDLED MORTGAGES TO THE BIG BANKS! If the big banks already owned the mortgages why would they buy them? If they were lending money out on the mortgages then where did the money come from to also buy them? This makes absolutely no sense at all!


    "they KNEW that they were NOT going to holding on to them for anywhere near long enough to deal with the consequences when they failed."

    Do you know how idiotic this sounds? How in Pete's name did the big banks wind up with all these toxic securities if they sold them? Who in Pete's name did they sell them to?

    You have been brainwashed by Marxist Democrat talking point lies. The lies don't even make sense logically. Claiming the big banks lent the money for the mortgages and then turned around and bought the mortgages that they already owned makes no logical sense. Claiming the big banks lent the money for the mortgages and then sold them simply doesn't explain how the big banks ended up with the mortgages if they had already sold them.

    If you can't see the logical disconnects in your claims then you are beyond help. You have been assimilated by the Marxist Democrats.
     
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    upside222 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    "If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both."

    I see nothing in here about winning an election being seditious. Trump hasn't overthrown, put down, or destroyed by force the Government of the United States. He won an election - period, exclamation point! How is that overthrowing the government?

    What statute makes it a crime to establish a back channel using Russian communications equipment? You didn't provide that one. What if the channel was established using equipment manufactured by Siemens in Sweden? Would that also be a crime?
     
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    upside222 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Malarky! Trump won an election. He didn't overthrow the government!

    Are you unable to tell the difference?
     
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    upside222 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    1. Ask Scooter Libby. He was *NOT* found guilty of outing Valeria Plame!
    2. What does the word "politics" mean to you?
    3. It has been proven over and over that Trump did *NOT* obstruct justice. Comey has already testified in front of Congress that he did not feel pressured to stop the investigation. The interim head of the FBI has testified in front of Congress that he has not been pressured to stop the investigation and, in fact, the investigation has not been impacted in any way by Trump. The FBI has all the resources needed to complete the investigation.
    4. I have never committed any crime. Yet I keep a lawyer on retainer in case I need one. You mean you don't?

    All you have is *MORE ALLEGATIONS* that Trump has done something that is a crime. When are you going to present any proof!
     
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    So now we are supposed to believe that a Russian SPY would never offer up any disinformation?

    And where is the crime? Setting up a back channel, even using Russian equipment, IS NOT A CRIME!
     
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    Comey has already testified in front of Congress that he had never felt any pressure to end the investigation.

    Is he now going to admit that he lied to Congress?
     
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    Obviously you don't understand what happened and I am going to try and clarify it.

    Glass-Steagall was effectively a wall of separation between the Wall Street Casino and Regular Banks! The REASON for that wall was because Banks had been SPECULATING with the DEPOSITS of their customers on the stock market back before 1929. Glass-Steagall REGULATED Banks and BANNED the Wall Street Casino from the Banking sector entirely.

    Regulated Banks have to follow strict rules in order to issue mortgages. Subprime mortgages require ADDITIONAL REGULATIONS in order to qualify AND they require mortgage insurance if those mortgages are issued by Regulated Banks.

    The GOP tore down Glass-Steagall following the orders of their Wall Street Casino Bosses. This allowed the Wall Street Casino to set up it's own UNREGULATED Banks. It was these Unregulated Banks that issued those Subprime toxic mortgages WITHOUT any of the qualifications and insurance.

    So now there are two entirely different kinds of mortgages on the market. Regulated Bank mortgages that are likely to be paid off by the homeowners and PREDATORY Wall Street Unregulated Bank Subprime mortgages without any qualifications or insurance that will inevitable DEFAULT because they were issued to people with nothing more than a pulse to their name.

    The Wall Street Casino KNEW about both kinds of mortgages and bundled them all together and MISLABELED them as PRIME mortgages ON PURPOSE so that they could sell them off and recoup the money that they used to fund the toxic subprime mortgages and make a killing on the comissions.

    Then the Wall Street Casino Bosses invented a way to INSURE THEMSELVES from the LOSSES that would happen when those mortgages bundles went belly up because no one would know what was good and what was bad.

    None of this would have happened if the GOP hadn't repealed Glass-Steagall!
     
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    I highlighted the CONSPIRACY to circumvent US Law of the Land!

    Now what makes you believe that it is LEGAL for any US Citizen to make use of the SPYING Apparatus of a Foreign nation in order to PREVENT the NSA from ensuring the safety and security of this nation?
     
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    Flynn and Kushner violated the Law of the Land. That explains why there is a criminal investigation.
     
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    It IS a crime for PRIVATE citizens to set up a back channel!
     
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    1. The big banks lost no customer funds, only investors funds. Not a single claim was made against the FDIC. So how did the repeal of G-S cause anything to happen?
    2. All of those regulations you mention were abandoned under Clinton. Sub-prime mortgage borrowers had to demonstrate no income and could either get by with no down payments or with borrowed down paytments.
    3. The big banks did *NOT* own the local and regional banks that were issuing mortgages. They were federally chartered banks with FDIC insurance.That is why Clinton could threaten them if they did not offer sub-prime loans. Again, even if they did own them then why did they have to buy the mortgages? They would have already owned them! You keep ignoring this simple failure of logic in your assertions!
    4. If the big banks bundled the mortgages into securities then EXACTLY who did they sell the securities to? If they sold all the mortgages then how did they wind up with them anyway?

    You keep avoiding the issue! You keep saying the big banks sold the mortgages but then ignore the fact that if they sold them they wouldn't have been stuck with them when they became toxic!

    WHO DID THEY SELL THE MORTGAGES TO?


    IF THE BIG BANKS OWNED THE MORTGAGES THEN WHY DID THEY HAVE TO BUY THEM?

    Answer the questions!
     
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    Kushner was part of the transition team! Every President-elect has a transition team!
     
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    But you just can't quite define what the crime is based on the US Code, right? You just *KNOW* they committed a crime.

    You are in good company. The lamestreammedia believes as you do - and evidence of such be damned!
     
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    Was the red phone Kennedy had that was a direct, untapped channel to the Kremlin illegal as well?

    When the deep state is leaking everything you say and do how are you supposed to operate?
     
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