Where did the wives of Cain and Abel come from?

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  1. Ctrl

    Ctrl Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It is not pure poppycock. Watch the whole thing. 3 parts.
     
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    The Wyrd of Gawd Well-Known Member

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    For goodness sake!! Read the damn fairy tale. The Garden of Eden was down the road from Assyria, Persia, Ethiopia, and Arabia.

    Genesis 2:10-14 (KJV) = "10 And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads.

    11 The name of the first is Pison: that is it which compasseth the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold;

    12 And the gold of that land is good: there is bdellium and the onyx stone.

    13 And the name of the second river is Gihon: the same is it that compasseth the whole land of Ethiopia.

    14 And the name of the third river is Hiddekel: that is it which goeth toward the east of Assyria. And the fourth river is Euphrates."

    And don't forget that the king of Tyre lived in the Garden of Eden until he got kicked out.

    In addition Ethiopia, Assyria, Persia, Arabia, and Egypt all existed when Adam and Eve were running around naked. And they survived Noah's flood without getting wet!! The area was crawling with people. The question is, given the incestuous nature of the Israelites, did Cain marry outside of the family when he went to the land of Nod to the east of Eden (Genesis 4:16).?
     
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    The Wyrd of Gawd Well-Known Member

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    In the Jewish Babylonian Talmud Adam screwed all of the animals before he even saw any kind of woman.
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Seriously? OMG. I love it. one step above flat earth. Tectonic plate theory seems to be next big fraud. This video is ludicrous nonsense unsupported by any known scientific observation or residual geological evidence. Yet for some reason the various fault zones seem to be behaving EXACTLY as the theory predicts. go figger.
     
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    Yeah but....Lilith was too kinky. Eve was a good Christian who did what Adam told her to...at least sexually.
     
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    No, the King of Tyre did not live in the Garden of Eden. Read the entire part of Ezekiel, its clearly not about any man.
    Start here https://www.gotquestions.org/King-of-Tyre.html
     
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    I didnt claim it to be fact, I think it was interesting, and some of it makes a lot of sense. Fault lines do not discredit the theory either. Regardless, it is interesting.
     
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    It appears we have rather different opinions on what is "interesting". As insight into the critical thinking skills applied to literalist apologetics, I might have used that word, but having been exposed to it repeatedly over the years, it is now just nonsense, not worthy of anything other than amused derision.
     
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    I don't think it's Cain and Able we should be concerned with, but rather Noah's sons.
    Al the world is the fruit of incestuous relations.
     
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    Which is better, Lucifer's demons or Yahweh's evil angels?
     
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    I do not think Margot is talking about "corroboration" of the stories themselves. What she is getting at is that the stories from the Bible come from earlier near east mythology.
     
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    Hmmm ... since Lucifer is an angel of Yahweh then by default Lucifer's demon's are Yahweh's evil angels ;)
     
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    The fruit of the "burning bush" !
     
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    Some are similar. Remembering Judaism is 4k years old, what exactly are you wanfing to point to and when?
     
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    Judaism is not 4000 Years old - the Tribe of Judah did not exist that far back but this is nit picking. The point here is that the tribe of Judah came long after Abraham .. and while the Jews/ and perhaps the Israelite's date themselves back to Abraham .. the religion of the Israelite's from the time of Moses have a different religion from that of Abraham.

    Regardless- Genesis was written around 600 BC. Some of the textual material is thought to be as early as 900 BC.

    The Israelite's around 900 BC believed in the existence of many Gods -a divine Pantheon. They worshiped (well they were supposed to worship) only one God as per Yahwism at the time but very few Israelite's were following this doctrine. Elijah refers to himself as the only prophet for YHWH left in all of Israel .. There are (going from memory here) 500 priests for Baal and 450 for Asherah.

    In any case - Genesis parallels many of the near eastern myths (Canaanite, Sumerian, Assyrian and so on) that date back much further than Genesis.
     
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    The geological evidence proves that the continental crusts are way older than the crusts under the seas - and the youngest crusts are the ones closest to the fault lines. Of course our 'experts', rather than accepting anything that falls outside their own comprehension and knowledge, decided to explain it within their own pre conceived subduction theory. Arrogance = Ignorance!

    A bit of logic here: How can our earth appear fully developed and in its current size, when every bit of existence grows and moves?

    The dark red are where the fault lines are, and they are the youngest sea floors.

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    Tell me that you are not actually trying to support the claim that just prior to the supposed flood - Pangaea existed or that some global flood that killed all land creatures happened during the Biblical timeline - 2100-2300 BC
     
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    Which kid colored the picture.
    No link, nothing but a coloring book.
     
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    Of course God is not like the religious apparitions, but it was the only way people could relate to Him. God is also not the way He is presented in the Old Testament - but again, it was the only way people could understand things. God in the OT, was trying to warn people of the consequences of their actions, the same way a parent warns a child.

    God is the love and connective Force binding the world together - and the basis of all existence.. When people turn away from this Force hearts grow cold, and we can expect the worse.
     
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    The Bible is not a history book. The point is that all people are related to each other.
     
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    The oldest creation myth in the Bible isn't in the Book of Genesis at all. It is alluded to in the Book of Isaiah, in the Book of Job and in Psalms.

    The clearest and fullest biblical account of this ancient myth appears in Psalm 74: “For God... Thou didst divide the sea by thy strength: thou brakest the heads of the dragons in the waters. Thou brakest the heads of leviathan in pieces, and gavest him to be meat to the people inhabiting the wilderness. Thou didst cleave the fountain and the flood: thou driedst up mighty rivers. The day is thine, the night also is thine: thou hast prepared the light and the sun. Thou hast set all the borders of the earth: thou hast made summer and winter” (74:12-17).


    An archaeological discovery made in the 20th century shed light on this strange account of creation, revealing it for what it is: an abridged version of the Canaanite creation myth.

    continued

    https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/.premium-where-did-creation-story-come-from-1.5404560
     
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    Nope. Judaism isn't that old.
     
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    "Nope" is not an argument.
     
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    I don't know, but I do keep an open mind about it. Regardless, I don't think that timeline you mentioned would be right. That's about the time Santorini erupted and the tidal wave wiped out the Minoan civilization. That eruption was also about the time the Hebrews escaped from Egypt, which could have been the cause of the waters drying up, and then returning. But look all this is conjecture, I wouldn't discard it so readily though.

    As for the world wide flood, if the waters did burst out of the earth and there really was one, then the world had to have been more level at the time, otherwise how could the waters cover it?
     

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