Where in the Constitution does it say the Fed gov should provide health care.

SCOTUS has been wrong before. We'll see what happens when we get a conservative majority on the court!+

 

European health care is cheaper because they use a QALY metric to limit healthcare, especially for the elderly. Try to get a pacemaker at age 90 in England and try to get one here. The NHS gives granny a pain pill and sends her home to die. We give here a pacemaker.

 

But it is *NOT* formulated that way. Go look up what QALY is.

We spend almost $3.5T per year on health care. Do you know how large of a tax increase that will entail? FICA taxes will have to be raised to the level of income taxes. Not only will that hurt the working poor it is going to hurt business badly. And since Medicare only pays 80% the business will *still* have to provide private insurance for their employees.

You've got some fancy plans. Who is going to pay that $125K or more that it takes to educate a doctor? Are you going to raise taxes even more?

ROFL! When the NHS opened public hospitals to private patients they soon had to start rationing private patients in order to have beds for the NHS patients. Most thinking people would understand that means there is a *HUGE* demand for healthcare in England that is not being met!

 

Truth.
My grandmother was terminally ill from cancer. On her way out the door.
Medicare replaced her hip the day before she fell into a coma and three days before she died.

 

And Medicare only pays 80%. Come 2028 when it goes bankrupt (and that may happen even sooner) it will drop to only 60% (a 25% cut in benefits).

Of course it is the same Marxist Democrats that are saying Medicare for all will work that is going to let that cut in benefits happen by default! Just like they did for SSDI!

 

Again, general welfare is *NOT* individual welfare. When the government pays for an individual's health care that is *NOT* general welfare, it is individual welfare!

If you want to add individual health care to the Constitution then get an Amendment to the Constitution passed!

 

OF COURSE RATIONING EXISTS IN EUROPE!

Go google "QALY NHS"!

 

I think you mean the Commerce clause. The commerce clause doesn't apply because today health insurance is a STATE offering, controlled by State Insurance Commissioners. That's why state by state exchanges had to be set up under Obamacare.

 

Correct. Medicare does not come close to paying for all the medical bills. i know people who pay for added insurance for that very reason.

When these people speak of payment by the Feds, they don't mean partly paid, they mean 100 percent paid by the Feds. The Feds do not do this unless you are a veteran. States kick in to pay the rest if you qualify.

 

But the Marxist Democrats adamantly refuse to discuss liability reform. The Marxist Democrats are clients of the lawyer donors.

Which is why we in America pay such exorbitant prices. We are paying for Europe!

No profits then no new drugs. Since my son started going for his PhD in Immunology I've learned what it costs to develop new drugs. The rest of the world depends on good ol' America to carry the freight, just like they do with defense!

 

It doesn't, but we should provide it like a normal country.

 

If the government takes over pricing and wage control, which is the only reason for single payer, then they *DO* become a monopoly.

Tell me again who is going to pay? You've already raised the FICA tax to income tax levels to pay for single payer. How much higher will you take it to give everyone a reason to stay in school till they are 40?

 

Oooh.. a moral position.
Why do you believe the state should force your morality on others?

 

healthcare is general welfare.

 

For the state not to enforce morality of any kind on anyone, it would have to do absolutely nothing. Is that your position?

 

My mother basically died the same way. She had surgery for tying up her bladder. Did something to her circulation. She developed dementia shortly after and died after about a year.

 

It's already conservative majority, and they agree it's general welfare.

 

You can repeat that till you are blue in the face. It won't make it true! And you simply cannot show how it is true!

General welfare benefits everyone. Health care only benefits the individual.

 

But you can't quite put your finger on the ruling, can you?

 

There seem to be lots of Americans here asserting that US federal governments have been running your nation illegally for pretty much it's entire existence. Strange that it has only come up when a particular government starts doing one of the countless things this implies they shouldn't in a different way. Maybe you should all get behind the OP troll and make use of your second amendment rights?

 

First, this does not address the question I asked.
Second, this is not true.

Why do you believe the state should force your morality on others?
And to follow up:
Why do you believe the state should not for the morality of others on you?

 

Oh, the surgery didn't kill my grandmother -- they replaced her hip even though it was clear she had just a few days to live.

 

The Marxist Democrats today advocate for a secular government, that moral beliefs should not influence decisions of Congress or the President.

They are all for moral relativism, i.e. the Law of the Jungle. No one can judge anyone else's actions. Kill a cop? Well, you must be a victim and not responsible.

 

*IF* you quality. If you were frugal and disciplined and save a nest egg, the State won't pay anything till you become a pauper!

 

This is true, everything the government does or doesn't do has a moral component. Once you acknowledge this, we can proceed.

Our constitution calls for a secular government. That's a fact.