Where is Cain??

Just seems to me I hear very little about Herman Cain. I saw him on the debate and he totally rocked. Every conservitive I talk to in my daily life seem to totally dig him. He's my favorite next to Palin, who I know about.

I WANNA SEE MORE HERMAN CAIN!!!!

 

I agree. Cain is the person I am supporting at the moment, however I don't believe he will be the nominee. He is the only one that seems to understand the unique threat that Muslims pose. His pledge to not bring any into his Administration because of their "stealth attempts at subversion" is simply genius. He backtracked a little, and said he *might* if they take loyalty oaths, but clearly the man understands the problem. Newt Gringrich, to a degree, does as well.

In the debate last night, Cain was the only one offering up solutions, not just rhetoric.

 

He was frickin awesome. Why is Perry being shoved down our throats. I can't say I like the guy yet.

 

He's being blanked-out by the media. Where do you think he is?
/Hate on us Paul folks all you want, but you're in the same boat.

 

I don't hate on you people. I think Paul is ok, just not my favorite. We need you Paulanites to keep the libertarian mindset in prospective

 

I also thought that Cain did well in the last debate. He lost my interest a long time ago when he was talking about not signing anything longer than three pages long, also he seemed to simply repeat rhetoric. But in the last debate he was much lighter on rhetoric and offered up some ideas. My favorite, and something I'd like to hear more about is this "9-9-9" tax idea.

http://politic365.com/2011/09/08/herman-cain-offers-his-9-9-9-tax-plan-in-gop-presidential-debate/

 

My point is that you're not going to be hearing from Cain. The question was "why" and the answer is that the press has decided that they don't want to cover him anymore. They'd much rather use that time pushing Huntsman, who would have to double his polling numbers just to *tie* for last place.

This is what us Paulistas have been talking about; the press blacking out candidates they don't like and lavishing extra coverage on candidates they do like.
That should make everyone here furious.

 

He needs to pay more money to the jewish owned and operated broadcast medial to get any attention. And that means that he needs to kiss some major corporation and jewish butt, and promise favors for which he has no access to. Or, he can say somting about a jew, and he will get noticed real fast. Contriversial, but it may work. Afterall, he is a conservative with color. Most conservatives see him as uncle tomming his way to rule over the people of no color. And those kind of people will not allow that to happen.

Sad but true.

 

LOL, blame the Jews. Ok Adolf... whatever you say..

 

More like "sad and retarded".

 

Cain would be a strong choice to put up against Obama. He is a savvy businessman who has a long history of executive experience. He has demonstrated an ability to put forth actual ideas, and not just rhetoric. Nobody could claim that he is racist for opposing Obama's views. He could potentially steal away many, many black votes from Obama's camp, and more.

Ron, on the other hand, is fringe.

 

Fringe to the NeoCon=Progessive suckers on this Nation who enjoy licking the boots of their Masters. Do you feel good at night that you can expend the lives of others with your votes to acquire more wealth?

 

You say that as if your opinion matters. The press doesn't want Cain in the race, so you won't see him covered any more. They don't care what you think.

 

Why not? You sleep just fine making excuses for our terrorist enemies.

I'm all for ending the wars, by the way. However, ending them with the idea that "oh, this was all our fault! Sorry! Sorry!" is not the way. If Paul understood the threat that Islamic extremists actually pose, and came up with an idea of taking back the military and strengthening our defense here at home, with the proper perspective, then I wouldn't have as much of a problem with him (except for some of his wacky "gold standard" ideas). However, Paul has shown that he is absolutely clueless about the true nature of our enemy, and instead wants to placate the enemy by blaming ourselves. That's not somebody to stand behind. Even his own son disagrees with him on that.

We don't need Presidents who apologize for America, as Obama has shown.

 

I disagree:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6hxE3mPgtM"]Ron Paul Predicted 9/11 - YouTube[/ame]

A lot of people also like to rag on him about his economic ideas, but:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuFjuVwNwP8"]Ron Paul Predicted The Economic Crisis - YouTube[/ame]

and

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLm7Sw402xE"]Ron Paul Predicts 2007 Housing Crash - YouTube[/ame]

 

Where did he explain the supremacist ideology that gives rise to Islamic terrorism? I didn't catch that part. The only thing I heard him say was that our "arrogant and foolish policies" are to blame for causing terrorism against us. That sounds very similar to Obama when he was on his Middle East apology tour.

Paul has said, explicitly, that he does not see Islam as a threat. That, alone, shows how clueless he is about the true nature of the enemy we face.

 

Islam itself isn't a threat, that's because not all Muslims buy in to the extremist ideology. We have some genuine Moderates here in the states who speak out against and help us combat the radicals.

Now before you call me an apologist, let me tell you, I absolutely despise the barbarism found through out the M.E. or nations where there is a large Muslim population. Undeniably, much of that madness is tied to their religion. I absolutely cannot stand people like Imam Rauf & Co. It pisses me off when I hear about things like Muslims rioting at a theme park over their stupid head wear.

But OBL and many others have explicitly stated that they hate our foreign policy as it pertains to them, they don't like our interference in their regions, they don't like how we support Israel. If any Western nation should have a "special interest" in Israel, it should be Germany.

That we need to be in those regions to ensure our safety here is illogical. OBL is dead, Saddam and his regime history... mission complete ($3trillion and 100,000+ lives later). All we need to do is create a bar none national defense, invest heavily in intelligence/small ops.

 

Not all, but many of them do. Large percentages of Muslims who come to the West still believe that it is OK to kill for their religion. Large amounts still think stoning to death is an appropriate punishment for adultery. More than 80% of people in the Middle East believe that Sharia, complete with its draconian punishments, should be the law of the land. Those beliefs don't just go away once they move to Europe or the US.

You can't believe what the "moderates" are telling you because they have beliefs that tell them to lie to non-Muslims and hide their true thoughts. The same person who tells you "Islam is peace" can be secretly involved in a terror plot, or financing others who are. Just listen to the headlines when a new Islamic terrorist is exposed. People all around him would describe him as a "moderate" and it "came a shock!" that he ended up having so many extremist beliefs. It's called taqiyya and kitman. Religious deception. They are taught in mosques to not show their true selves until such a time arises where there are large enough populations of Muslims. At that time, they start turning the screw to try and bring Sharia into the society. This is starting to happen in Europe, where some countries now have between 5 and 10% Muslim populations. In the US, they are still at 1%, so they are in a period of hudna, which is a temporary period of peace that will exist until they acquire sufficient numbers. Consider them sleeper cells.

Again, not all of them are like this, but we have no real way of knowing who, or how many.

These are all things that Ron Paul and his supporters are unlikely to know. It's too complicated. It's easier just to blame ourselves and feel guilty about yet another thing in our past.

Yes, it is tied to their religion. It's the same religion they bring with them when they move to the West in droves. Now we have to deal with it right here in our own backyards.

They also said that their religion commands them to fight us. They are told to invite the unbelievers to accept Islam, first. If that fails, they are to ask us to live as 2nd class citizens under their authority. If that fails, then we are to go to war with them. OBL subscribed to this idea. He asked the US to submit to Islam or the fighting would continue. He would not have been a peaceful Muslim even if we never set foot in the Middle East. And there are millions out there just like him.

Like I said, if I had any belief that Paul knew the true nature of the Islamic threat, I would support him in his idea to bring the troops home and build our home defense. However, Paul blames the US for the threats we face, and says that the ideology of our enemies is not a threat to us. He doesn't have a clue.

 

You bet ya, those fools will bite on any spin propaganda off the media. Elections cost big money, and the owners of those broadcasts make big fat money and screw with the simple minds of worshipers.

 

I was for him for a little while, until he started spouting off about foreign policy. He just doesn't have the background for it. Foreign policy, IMHO, is the most important single part of the President's job.

 

You're too funny... I guess after the person has been bullied for so long and finally fights back one day we're suppose to take their actions as being the aggressors? You lack any logical points other than "Muslims are inherently evil" & "What happened before the hostage crisis in Iran or any American Foreign Policy blunder should be omitted." when in REALITY the Governments own actions created the situations begin with.

If truly understood that hitting a beehive with a stick doesn't stop the bees from attempting to sting you but, rather a neutral action all together stops the bees from ever getting worked up we wouldn't have to deal with the crazies because their own people would have no reason to hate America. These Islamo Crazy Fascist Warmongers are nothing but, a creation of the American Foreign Policy at work as well the Foreign Policy of other Western Nations that attempted to enslave the Middle East. By all means please keep hitting the beehive with a stick because you're too proud to stop because it would mean you're wrong... America can never be wrong in any of its actions right? Stop trying to base the entire argument as to why we're there over Pride.

 

Again, you demonstrate your glaring ignorance of the nature of the Islamic threat. These "Islamo Crazy Fascist Warmongers" as you call them have existed since the 7th century. What they are doing nowadays is absolutely no different than what they were doing 400-500 years ago when they tried to take over the world through violence. It was only with violence did they fail to conquer Europe. There have been several very large-scale, world-wide campaigns of Islamic conquest and imperialism dating back 1400 years. These campaigns would only stop temporarily after a Muslim defeat, and would start again once the Muslims regained their strength and desire to move forward. That is what we are seeing now.

Your insistence that we created jihadists and Islamic terrorism is the kind of fiction that only an America hater would buy into. The fact that you can disguise yourself as a "Patriot" really shows how disingenuous many of Ron Paul's supporters are. I'm really surprised that you don't burn American flags while you are busy excusing the terrorists of their crimes and (*)(*)(*)(*)ting on your own country. I really am.

I have repeatedly asked you to explain why Islamic history is littered with examples of violent conquest and imperialism, and you have danced around it each and every time. You instead only focus on the events that have taken place in the last 50-70 years, because that is the only scope that works to support your flawed theory that it is all the fault of the US. That should be a clue to the fact that you are wrong, but willful ignorance is a tough shell to break sometimes.

 

Because the Western Governments on the Planet Earth have been enslaving and antagonizing the Middle East for centuries! You call me ignorant but, you keep nit picking the entire situation there and broad stroking an entire religion!

What about the History of every other Religion? Did the Jews, Christians, Buddhists, Neo-Confuc, and many others not commit War/Murder in the name of their Religion? I don't see the History of any Power of today not having a past that involves Brutality. Your claims against the ENTIRE Muslim religion is idiotic to the core because I can simply check the news and not see 100% of the Muslim population killing people. Because 10% are involved you're going to call them all repulsive and worthy of destruction? I guess since you're such a bigot we should take the Race in the USA with the highest Crime Rate % per population and imprison them all to prevent further crime.

 

Please tell me that you are just being willfully ignorant and obtuse.

What part of 1400 YEARS don't you understand? You think "Western Governments" existed back then?

What have Muslims ever done for you that earns them the benefit of the doubt each and every time? Yes yes, it's always someone elses' fault, never their fault.

So, just for the record, you are saying you are OK with a group in your society where every 1 out of 10 people are involved in terrorism and destroying your country from within.

Nice to see an apologist give a realistic percentage to the extremists, though. Most say that 0.0001% of Muslims are terrorists or terrorist sympathizers. Some say 1%, which is still 15,000,000 extremists. Your 10% figure means that there are 150 MILLION extremist Muslims in the world today that want to slaughter infidels and implement Sharia law. And that's not a problem, to you?

If 10% of Christians were abortion bombing mass murdering psychopaths, do you think the left would stand for it? As is, they are grasping at straws for ammunition to use against Christianity, because there just aren't enough examples of "evil Christians!" to compete against the amount of fanatical Muslims that are out there.

As for history, there is no other religion you can put out that can even hold a candle to the sheer amount of carnage that Islam has unleashed in the world since the 7th century. You could throw out the Crusades (which was done in retaliation only after 2/3 of Christendom was already conquered violently by Muslims), the Inquisition (a few thousand people killed over a period of time), or any other apologist talking point against Christianity, and you would be debunked each and every time. The fact is the ideology of the jihadists has killed an estimated 270 million since its inception, and it has no signs of slowing down. It is the only religion that is currently in its medieval barbarous stage, and it likes it that way. All the other religions have grown up and adapted in a civilized world. If Muslims had their way, we would still be in the 7th century.

If 10% of Muslims in the West are bad, like you say, then explain why we shouldn't do something about it.

 

We're relating it in todays terms meaning 20th and 21st Century. The past 1,400yrs you're trying to conclude as being evidence to your entire claim can also be seen in the Western Worlds own aggressive mannerisms too. You seem to omit the fact that both sides are equally bad but, it's always best to not look at the history of the Western World and simply of those you fear/hate.

It was merely just a % point to look at but, now I can truly see that any threat you percieve should be destroyed entirely without mercy. You're no better than those you fear/hate Brewskier.

Try providing facts next time because "tossing out" the Crusades, Witch Burnings, Inquisitions from all Countries and the extermination of "Pagans" from the Christian World is just as inherently evil as some of the Acts done by Muslims who had control. The normal people themselves didn't want to murder or butcher at all... it was their own Government whether it be under a Islamic faith or Christian Faith that brought so much Death. You again love to omit history... try to actually bring up a reasonable argument for why extremists aren't rising up when the US Government itself has been bombing the Middle East and killing Civilians for 30yrs now.