Where is Cain??

We have a pseudo black democrat president. Did you really think the republican party wouldn't put up a pseudo black republican candidate?

 

So because Cain is Conservative, he's not really Black?

It is odd though. Obama is only half Black, but never leaves one doubting which side he identifies more with. Herman Cain is Black, but there is nothing stereotypical about him.

 

No, you are relating it to today's terms because that is the only time frame that fits your preconceived notions. You conveniently leave out the previous 1300+ years because it does not fit your narrative. It's a simple confirmation bias, nothing more. Although, you do employ other logical fallacies as well.

For your explanation to work, you would expect Muslims to have been a peaceful group of people up until the point where the West got involved. However, they were wiping out people and spreading their religion by the sword from the very beginning of the religion. It's not hard to believe, considering the religion teaches that war must be waged until all of the Earth becomes Islamic. Listen to the videos that terrorists and would-be terrorists make, nowadays. They constantly point to the goal of bringing the infidel lands under the control of Sharia law.

You danced around my question. Are you, or are you not, comfortable with the idea that 1 out of every 10 Muslims in the country is a terrorist, or involved in terrorist plots, in some way? I don't know about you, but considering how we have millions of Muslims in this country already, that is a disturbing thought.

Those would be worth talking about if they were still happening. None of these things can compare to the hundreds of millions of people killed over Islam's 1400 year history. And, unlike with Christianity, Islamic carnage is still being waged today.

Extremists aren't rising up? Did you take a look at the people who will soon be running Egypt? Libya? Elsewhere in the Arab world? What about Iran? Pakistan? Have you not been paying attention?

And this has been going on for much longer than 30 years, for your information. I know how badly you want to punish yourself for creating these Islamic monsters, but it goes back a lot further than you would like to admit.

 

So why is it that you cannot be both Black and Conservative?

 

Thanks for demonstrating the racism on the left.

Blacks are not really blacks to the left unless they are voting liberals into office and sucking the welfare tit.

 

Wrong, the History of the World itself proves that my "notions" of simply relating it in todays terms makes sense considering the direct actions the Western World has undertaken to enslave the Middle East. You're still broad stroking the entire Middle East... list every Muslim country and their aggressive behaviors to the World from 700AD to the present time. I'm 100% certain you'll find exceptions just as there were exceptions in the Christian World concerning their Militarism and Fanatisicm.

Never danced around it... my entire point was to prove you're willingness to slaughter HUMANS because there are a few rotten ones in the bunch.

I don't see any Muslim countries actively taking part in Jihads anymore like they use to. It's nothing but Rogues who take it upon themselves to commit such acts of lunacy but, it's okay to label the entire population of Islam as Terrorist and Warmongers because a few rogues decide to kill thousands.

Egypt? Oh that Pro-Western Dictator we've been giving money to... Oh right lets not see that as one of the reasons those groups hate America when a Ruthless Dictator is getting money/arms from the US Government. Libya? Our own Foreign Policy created it in the first place because we kept bombing the Libyan Government Forces. Iran? Oh lets forget about the 1953 coup that replaced an Elected Official of a Democratic Government with a Pro-Western Dictator that later fell out of Power then turned into a crazy Fanatic State. Pakistan? Another Government usurped by the Military when it was initially a Democratic Country and we're now funding the Dictator there... how logical!

Sorry our direct bombings have been going on for 30yrs now but, around the 1950s we've been involved with coups and arming Factions rather than taking direct action. I didn't see the Muslim World hating the US up until the point we started getting involved in their matters and putting Dictators in power.

 

Oh, the poor Middle East. Good thing we have modern day Lincolns like you who will help free the slaves!

Since 632 AD, Islam spread from Saudi Arabia and within 150 years, it had conquered all of the Middle East, North Africa, large sections of modern day Europe. Shortly after this, it spread throughout Southern Asia. Was this because of the US? Hardly the actions of a slave nation, wouldn't you say?

Of course, you're paralyzed to analyze this, since your preconceived notions negate the possibility that Muslims are just imperialistic people, driven by a sense of religious supremacism not seen in other religions. It's all our fault. Bad, bad Westerners!

Did I say I wanted to slaughter them, here? There are many other ways of removing them. Mass deportations coupled with closing our borders to more of them would be a great start.

And not all of them would have to be deported. Just enough of them so that the truly moderate Muslims won't consider joining their more radical brothers and sisters at the mosque. As long as Muslims are a minority, they are not a huge threat. When they start gaining large populations, that's when the problems start, and we can see that happening all over Europe, in just about every country.

Well, of course you don't see it happening. However, the mass influx of Muslims into the West is an act of jihad. Some of their imams have called it a war of demography. Flood into the West, have way more children than Westerners (average amount of children per Muslim couple in Europe is currently between 6 and 8, whereas Europeans are having 1.5 kids per every couple). What this means is that Europe will have been conquered within 50 years, without a single tank being deployed. A German chancellor has said that Germany will be majority Muslim by 2050 if current rates continue. Others have made the same prediction. It's population replacement. If that's not jihad, I don't know what is.

What you won't understand is that those dictators had vast support from the people living in those countries. It wasn't until the Muslim Brotherhood and all of its associated groups stirred up unrest and motivated the revolts within the country. Obama and his support of the revolutions (which is something he now blames for the economy being so bad), only emboldened the people in those countries.

What our country doesn't understand is that these people are incapable of a Democratic system like ours. They will choose Sharia for themselves, and that is what they are choosing in Egypt and Libya. They need dictators like Saddam Hussein, Qadaffi, and Mubarak. They keep the order.

Still waiting for your explanation on why the Muslim world has acted like this since the very beginning of its history. I thought you liked history? Why avoid it so much?

 

The Muslim world has hated everyone and everything in the non-Muslim world for 1400 years, simply because they are non-Muslim. And why do they do that ? One reason - the Koran.

So the Muslims hate us, so what ? Of course they hate us - that what it is to be a Muslim. Answer ? We hate them back, and kill them at each and every opportunity, as we're doing in Afghanistan. As for Islam in the USA, it should be banned, and anyone found practicing it, should be arrested and imprisoned for sedition.

 

The mosques should all be shut down. Islam should be banned.

 

Blah blah Muslims did this Christians are the best and we should kill Muslims.

Wow... should we put the Crescent Moon on their Shirts so we know them in Public? Lol...

Oh dear god the Muslim invasion! Quickly hide under the covers! This entire notion that we have to somehow get involved into other countries to sort them out is lunacy. Let them do it themselves because the fact remains that the bull(*)(*)(*)(*) being seen in Europe could easily be changed if they weren't so PC to begin with. Lets deal with our own country and actually following the Constitution rather than knee jerking ideas to events.

Vast support? Yeah because a vast majority of the Human Race don't really like being tortured or killed. So you're saying we need to arm certain factions once again and hope for the best the Dictator isn't overthrown again... and replaced with a Fanatic State that hates Westerns for their actions in their country? Hahahah...

Who gives a (*)(*)(*)(*)? The entire world has acted the same since the inception of Civilization itself to the time we're presently in. I'm support to Black Mark the Muslim Nations when the rest of the World is just as equally as bad... So fine I'll black mark Muslims and every organization known to man to sate your desire.

 

Wrong... they don't hate everyone <<MOD EDIT>> You have no logic or facts to prove that every Muslim hates non-muslims... <<MOD EDIT>>

This goes to show your Lunacy Right here... (*)(*)(*)(*) the 1st Amendment!

 

1. What do you call Iran's proxy, Hezbollah, firing missles at Israel ? Not jihad ?

2. Islamic jihad isn't just a few rogues killing thousands. Due to today's nuclear technology, one deranged jihadist could kill millions. The numbers thing is a thing of the past. Numbers and %s no longer matter.

3. Who cares if "countries" are or aren't engaging in jihad ? (give them time)
The Muslim Brotherhood is stealth jihad active in 80 countries around the world - that is just as threatening to those countries as what any other country may be doing.

 

Pro tip: There are more dignified ways to lose a debate than throw out childish statements and create straw men arguments.

Again.

...and again! You asked for specifics, I supplied them, and now you predictably retreat to the typical liberal snark and hyperbole of someone out of ideas.

Let's just hope we can still buy oil from the jihadists. Maybe they'll give us good pricing if we kill a few Jews? Ron Paul might even be on board with the idea, let's ask him!

This alone disqualifies you from any rational argument. Clearly most of humanity is acting very differently than they did just 200-300 years ago. Go back even further in time, and the world we live in is nothing like it used to be.

No, keep up the denial. Once the common sense breaks through to people like you, it will act as a roaring wildfire to other fields of dried out ignorance. Then, once all that brush is clear, real thoughts can grow in fertile ground.

 

1) The British Government handing Israel over to the Zionists effectively uplifting the entire Muslim population. Iran was a creation of the fallout of the 1953 coup the US Government was involved with that put a Pro-Western Dictator in power that finally fell out of power. All creations of the Western World to a small to large degree on the impacts as to why they've occurred. There are far more to list but, I don't feel like having a discussion with someone who can't be bothered to read what I've typed before.

2) So the entire group of people who call themselves Muslims should be exterminated. Wow I really am going to enjoy this... You're nothing but a Nazi with such a view like that when you believe the extermination of entire groups for the "Common Good" is needed.

3) So you have no proof... Good one! Those evil Rogue Organizations... darn them all lets just invade Soverign Nations and let them have more followers because of the outrage of Foreign Soliders occupying their land!

 

Not every Muslim, but every 1 out of 10 do. Isn't that what you said?

It is a subjective argument that Islam is a religion, and not a political system that simply calls itself a religion. If it is deemed a political system, we could have limitations placed on it under our own sedition laws.

Let's say, one day, I create a political movement whose set goal is to destroy the United States. Simply calling my movement a "religion" can't allow me to do whatever I want, because of our 1st Amendment. The 1st Amendment wasn't designed to tolerate subversive political ideology that threatens American government.

That is why I am in favor of all the anti-Sharia legislation being presented in various states, at the moment. It will cut the achilles tendons of the creeping Sharia movement if we could prevent any form of political Islam from entering our societies. If they want to run around chanting about Muhammad, we can't stop them. However, we can prevent them from bringing their draconian system of law in to compete with our own.

 

There is no reason to debate you... your head is thick with ideas of those who aren't what you are should be tossed out or eliminated. <<Mod Edit>>

Protip: Read what you type before you make yourself sound like a Nazi.

That's Europe and the entire claim that every Muslim there is in involved in the attempt to overthrow the Governments present there isn't even worth debating because it's not even logical and you can't even prove it.

Again a Strawman! Keep going with it Broskie.

Just because Technology and the Names of nations are different doesn't mean the actions done by Humans has changed. Nothing has changed at all... we're just as Brutal as the Medieval Ages except instead of exterminatin cities we're not dropping explosives on them killing thousands to millions.

You're the one who is ignorant when we go around the World acting other Nations and People expecting no counter for actions at all. That's plain out foolish and ignorant.. your entire idea of having to establish an Empire to secure our defence is so illogical when it's our Empire that incites them to begin with.

 

Your "prime mover" arguments are pathetically weak. Why not just blame God for creating man, while you are at it?

Why are Muslims not responsible at all for their actions? Do you have exceedingly low expectations of them? The US does something, then generations and generations of Muslims go on murderous sprees, and it's all the fault of the US, not the violent barbarians who live in those countries. They, like children or animals, can't be blamed for anything.

Well, by supporting Islamic extremists, like you have been doing, you are supporting genocide. You are supporting the extermination of every non-Muslim. Of course, you don't know this, since you are completely oblivious to what the enemy actually thinks.

We have bases all over the world, yet only the Muslims are "outraged" enough to wage perpetual war against us. Isn't that a funny coincidence?

 

Who cares if it's 10%? You eliminate the reason for there to be a 10% which is nullify the Imperial Conquests of the US Government.

The Consitution itself already protects against the fantasy of a Sharia Law take over of the US Government.

 

1. Of course there are facts - they're in the Koran, from cover to cover. Didn't you know ?

"I shall cast terror into the hearts of the infidels. Strike off their heads, strike off the very tips of their fingers." Koran 8:12

"When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them." Koran 9:5

"Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home: an evil fate." Koran 9:73

"Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Deal firmly with them. Know that God is with the righteous." Koran 9:123

"Garments of fire have been prepared for the unbelievers. Scalding water shall be poured upon their heads, melting their skins and that which is in their bellies. They shall be lashed with rods of iron.
Whenever, in their anguish, they try to escape from Hell, back they shall be dragged, and will be told: "Taste the torment of the Conflagration!" Koran 22:19-20

"Muhammad is God's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another." Koran 48:29

"Those that deny Our revelations We will burn in fire. No sooner will their skins be consumed than We shall give them other skins, so that they may truly taste the scourge. God is mighty and wise." Koran 4:56

"Those that make war against God and His apostle and spread disorder in the land shall be slain and crucified or have their hands and feet cut off on alternate sides, or be banished from the land." Koran 5:33

"When you meet the unbelievers in the battlefield strike off their heads and, when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly." Koran 47:4

"Let not the unbelievers think that they will ever get away. They have not the power to do so. Muster against them all the men and cavalry at your command, so that you may strike terror into the enemy of God and your enemy..." Koran 8:59-60

"Believers, take neither the Jews nor the Christians for your friends. They are friends with one another. Whoever of you seeks their friendship shall become one of their number. God does not guide the wrong-doers." Koran 5:51

"The unbelievers among the People of the Book [Bible] and the pagans shall burn for ever in the fire of Hell. They are the vilest of all creatures." Koran 98:6

These suras of the Koran, and others like them, are what defines someone to be a Muslim. If one is a Muslim he/she is a follower of the Koran (every word). They therefore DO hate everyone who is non-Muslim, AND engage in holy war against them (as well as scores of other vile behaviors, most illegal under US laws).
If someone calls himself a Muslim but doesn't follow the Koran, he/she is NOT a Muslim, no matter what they wear, or what they pray, or if they go to a mosque, kill animals on Eid al-Adha, or whatever.

2. As for the 1st Amendment, it gives people the right to religious freedom. Islam has a problem there. For one, it is an ideology, NOT A RELIGION. Secondly, even if Islam was a religion, the Constitution only allows religious freedom under the condition that it does not interfere with anyone else's rights, or violate US laws. Trouble with Islam is it does just that. As a supremacist ideology, whose doctrine demands total domination over everything, it is clearly in violation of Article 6 section 2 of the Constitution (the Supremacy Clause).
Islam is also in violation of the US Sedition laws (US Codes 2384 & 2385), and as such anyone found practicing it should be jailed for sedition. A 20 year prison offense.

 

Pathetically weak because you consider all Imperial Actions to be nothing of true value to look at when they attack us for said actions. You're living in a Dream World where you can scream fire in a theater and murder people in the streets while having no repercussions for your actions.

I support them? I wish to defuse them completely... you're the one who can't seem to understand that.

Yeah, it's because those the European Nations aren't being bombed at a regular basis or aren't having their elected leaders being replaced by Pro-US Dictators.

 

Go read the Old Testament... should we label Jews as a threat to the World too?

 

No it doesn't, because those who profess to impose Sharia law upon America, also intend to abolish the Constitution. Didn't you know ?

 

Wow, you actually found an even more undignified way to lose.

Yes, cry and call names. I feed on your weakness.

You are not a libertarian. You are an anti-war liberal. Liberals are the users of terms like "bigot" and "xenophobe" whenever they get beaten in an argument.

Pathetic. Even for you.

I never said "every Muslim". How about using one strawman at a time? Is that fair enough?

Well, if your point was "we still have war", congrats! That's a valid point for once!

However, your claim that humans are still the same as they've been since the beginning of Civilization, which is what you originally claimed, is simply ridiculous.

And again, you can't explain why these same people have been "incited" since their founding. I suspect you don't want to know why they have always acted this way.

You have all the makings of an irrational anti-war liberal. You should just move to Canada or Europe while you are at it, so that you can hate America without tarring yourself in the process.

 

Right, we'll just leave the Muslim lands, and magically *poof* our enemies will become our friends!

Keep drinking the Kool-Aid.

They are already using Sharia as an arbitration standard in our court rooms. Why wait until they come up with the next loophole to bring their system over piece by piece?

And Obama is very fond of the UN resolution to criminalize criticism of religion. So much for the 1st Amendment.

 

If that times comes it's already too late and the real followers of the Constitution never stood up. That's nothing but a Dooms Day talk and we're suppose to expect the extremes to occur and then smother them before they occur... rather than with Law but, with Genocide.