Where is Liberalism Going?

The problem is, we really don't know who the real working people are now do we? I would put my money on people who lets say work in construction, landscaping, fast food, plumbing, heating and air conditioning, etc. who make low to medium incomes. Then, there are those who employ working people who get paid lots of money, but, at the same time get to be so called working people by using the tax money from those middle income workers to finance their huge sums of money. You know, workers like these who work for the gov., farmers with guaranteed crop insurance, and sports players with their owners and facilities; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qb0UNRl-paQ Are all these folks Libs looking for handouts too?

 

So, is this your answer to personal responsibility? Financing others to give them a huge advantage over others, while the working poor pay for it; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qb0UNRl-paQ? Seems to me the conservatives aren't too troubled by poverty, when showering the few, with huge amounts of wealth at tax payer expense. Anyone see anything wrong with this conservative approach? I sure do.

 

The biggest problem is people who make up their own scenario to believe in, always suited to their own needs which invariably includes blaming others for their personal failure. That is the steaming pile of crap I just read, an opinion which ignores what is real and manufactures it's own "facts".

A person like this can't discuss anything, they can't learn anything, and they can't understand things when they are crystal clear and right in front of them. NOTHING you allege is realistic- just BS with a strong blast of hot air behind it. You are a victim of yourself, and doing a better job of that than anyone else could.

 

Really? How so? Can you prove that the low income taxpayers don't pay for sports players, owners, and stadiums? What about the welfare for farmers against their own failures? What about politicians who get tax breaks on their own farms? Are you going to tell me this isn't getting a hand out for the well off? Are you going to tell me this isn't a conservative policy? If this is not real, may I suggest you prove it, or else your own pile of manure is only going to get much taller.

What is crystal clear, is the hypocrisy coming from the conservative snake oil, you folks are always selling. That's why you can't discuss it, and I can.

Lol! Personal attacks! That's rich! Too bad you can't dive into these weeds. You'd never find your way out through the thick maze of facts, that have you hung up like razor wire.

 

PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY means you take responsibility for your own decisions, AND the consequences of them. If you decide go to game and you decide to pay the price for a ticket in exchange for the right to see the game- how does that make you a victim?? What more, if you look at the costs of major sports you find that the cost has a great deal to do with the salaries of million dollar sports stars and huge elaborate stadiums. People that can afford to blow hundreds of dollars for a ball game ticket are either not poor- or such lousy financial planners that they put that ticket above feeding their families. You think this is some kind of plot where the wealthy are forcing the fans to do this against their will??

Welfare for farmers.... Like crop insurance? Perhaps you don't know that crop insurance, just like home and car insurance, has a premium- farmers don't get it free, they buy it. If they don't and hail wipes out their crop, they get nothing. If they do buy it, it still does not cover the full value of their crops, it just prevents net loss most of the time. It is just as rational as the insurance on your home, assuming you have one. As for this being conservative policy- no, it's mostly democratic policy.

Are there government policies that are abusive? Of course. There are taxes set where less than 20% of the taxpayers pay more than 80% of the tax, and that is certainly a lop-sided situation that has no impact on the "working poor" other than to shift the tax burden to others. Of course, that doesn't count to someone who thinks like you. I've also noticed that people like this never want to go into business for themselves and take advantage of all that free money. Why is that? As the saying goes, why buy the cow when you can get the milk free.

Are there poor that abuse the system and scam the middle and higher class taxpayers? You damn right there are- and a lot of them. I've been involved with development of housing for low incomes and watched new homes being subsidized down to $25 monthly rent and then being destroyed in months by people mad because they wanted more. Unbelievable. The people who really need a hand up have self-respect and often don't ask for it, but those demanding a hand-out are first in line, and always victims of someone who stole their success before they got there. You have a lot of company in the class you are in.

Before you continue your rant and assumptions- I came from poor. I've spent a winter living in a storage shed because I had no money for more. Had major cancer while I couldn't afford insurance and paid my own surgical and hospital bills. Never took so much as an unemployment check from government. Now my income taxes are far higher than a middle income families total earnings, so I've been on both sides, and never seen a need to dump my burden on others. I endorse high wages too - but I only endorse paying them to people who earn them, not the slackers and whiners who aren't worth it. Unfortunately, everybody want a check, but many don't really want the job. People who want to actually earn good money are hard to find.

Go away- you are indeed a flogger, and the facts just get in your way.

 

Even access to information is not free for the poor, which is why taking away their churches--sometimes sources of useful information, for those open to it-- would be a deprivation. Your misdirection was robotic, time-wasting and offensive.

 

Well said. People fail to make that jump because it is so much easier to distribute blame to others than to admit one's own failings. Unfortunately, few people have true self-awareness and either fail to meet the challenge, or are never presented with one in the first place--in both cases, there is a failure to grow.

It's really tough medicine to acknowledge your weaknesses, but, if you make it, you come out so much better than you were before.

 

What makes you think I wanted to go to the game? Because I could care less about it. And yes, the wealthy are forcing the tax payers to pay for their hand out, like John Elway, and what he got his entire career.

They're farm subsidies against the failures of crop disasters. How come commercial fishermen don't get it? Because there are no political commercial fishermen. But there are politicians with their own farms. So, there you go. Welfare for politicians. I would have never guessed.

No, someone who thinks like me, knows that these high earners have tons of tax loopholes, so they never pay 80%.

You really don't have a clue do you? Your whole post can be summed up in a few short sentences. With you, your problem is attitude and not seeing forest for tree. And by the way, you can save the speech about where you come from. I'm not interested.

I'm more interested in real poverty. You know, the kind where a child is born in a housing project, and is supposed to pull him or herself up by their boot straps. These folks have little to no hope of ever going anywhere, because of a system that never gave them an opportunity, and there are no plans on changing those dynamics either. And its people like yourself who never see that. You either are not smart enough, or you have no interest in addressing the real source of the problem. And that real source is privilege. The same privilege John Elway came from.

 

Ironic since I NEVER advocated "taking away their churches" from the poor anywhere.

Yes, spouting utterly baseless canards alleging something that was never posted by another member is offensive , misdirection and time-wasting. The smart move would be to refrain from doing so in the future.

Have a nice day!

 

Hypothetically, a Secretary of Human Sexuality could create an office of sexual welfare.

 

You horned into a conversation about something totally different than what you assumed and deserved the confrontation you received, since you effectively derailed an interesting topic for some fooldarn reason of your own. Now you have the temerity to act as if you are the injured party. You are neither injured nor innocent. Give it up. If you wish, retrace the thread of conversation and bring it back to life, but don't make complaints about threads you yourself screwed up.

 

Irony squared!

 

...being "issued" a probationary wife if a guy is on probation, to help him with his probity.

 

What does it say about the two major parties, that give the voters the two most hated candidates in the history of American elections?
Hint: neither party gives a flying fork about the people of this country.

 

The Trump card. Hate Mexicans, hate Muslims. Hint: can't win in November with only 35% of the vote. But 35% IS a hell of a lot of bigots.

 

nothing but social plans instead of capital plans from the capitalist of the right?

How are the People going to earn their multibillion dollar budget surplus bonus? We have social spending to do.

 

Thus Trump.

 

Boy, did you miss Brexit!

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.....and Shrillary.

 

i wasn't paying much attention to it.

i am more interested in a federal Constitution similar to our own, but at the UN.

 

You mean Bernie. Hillary is the DNC choice.

 

Sometimes I think a Hillary win would be a good thing as so many lefty's seem to know nothing about her.
All the leftys hear, is the promise of more free stuff and that conservatives, are ignorant bigots and racist.
I would like to think the world could sustain another failed experiment but I'm not so sure that is possible after Obama.
But it would be fun if we had the luxury and time to allow racist "nurse ratchet' to play with the minds of leftys.
Well,sadly those days are coming to an end.
We really don't have the time anymore to watch lefty politicians fail.
It's time bite the bullet and get this world back on track.
We need to stop listening to those that call the productive tax payers racist.
The productive tax payers ( for the most part ) have been tolerant.
The internet has given voice to the unproductive slug that fails to contribute.
Wow how long can this go on ?
You have so many taking advantage of the taxpayer. Some of people that take advantage are their own worst enemy. They show this in the choices they make, they eat crap, and therefore they do nothing worthwhile. They have no energy, they posses no skills, they get sick because they are full of hate.
The only effort they know, is, that long walk to the mailbox to get their next government check.
And of course, the wear on their typing fingers as they try and tell me I'm wrong.
So yeah, it would be great to have the luxury and time to have another failure like HRC.
I think those days are coming to a close. The world has no time for the comedy of errors.

 

Liberalism is circling the toilet bowl.

 

it is going to lose socially, but align with conservatism economically for common goals of economic prosperity through protectionist policies, like that of which donald trump stands for.

i don't see how they will get farther on things like getting men and women to use the same restroom, or weird feminist things, which isn't important to most people.