Where's the Ham?

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by garyd, Apr 4, 2023.

  1. LiveUninhibited

    LiveUninhibited Well-Known Member

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    What makes you think it didn't happen in New York? He lived in New York before being president, remember?
     
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    RodB Well-Known Member Donor

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    There re thousands of actions that might make a person look bad or cause embarrassment or would just like to be kept private. That's why there are non disclosure agreements and they are numerous.
     
  3. garyd

    garyd Well-Known Member

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    He didn't do anything to stop or prevent anyone from running while he lived in New York. When you get done pulling crap out your ass trying to justify this garbage I fitment let me know.
     
  4. Wild Bill Kelsoe

    Wild Bill Kelsoe Well-Known Member

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    Who was Trump trying to prevent from getting elected "by unlawful means"?
     
  5. RodB

    RodB Well-Known Member Donor

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    That is such a bridge too far that it begs serious responses. But, I'll play. Where the crime occurred matters not. What matters is whose law did a suspected crime break.
     
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    CornPop Well-Known Member

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    If Bragg felt he violated § 17-152, he would be charged with it so the jury could assess his guilt to determine if he engaged in felonious behavior.
     
  7. LiveUninhibited

    LiveUninhibited Well-Known Member

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    He was promoting his own election by conspiracy with Cohen and Pecker using the unlawful means of falsifying business records. Read more carefully.
     
  8. LiveUninhibited

    LiveUninhibited Well-Known Member

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    New York's, both for the charged crimes (falsifying business records) and the supporting crimes (promoting a campaign by unlawful means) that makes the charged crime a felony instead of a misdemeanor.
     
  9. Wild Bill Kelsoe

    Wild Bill Kelsoe Well-Known Member

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    Paying hush money isn't illegal. Catch and kill is used by news organizations all the time. No crime there, either.

    Keep trying?
     
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  10. LiveUninhibited

    LiveUninhibited Well-Known Member

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    No, because it's a misdemeanor, likely out of time. But it will still need to be proven for the charged crimes to remain felonies, or else he won't be able to get a conviction on anything because those would become misdemeanors too.
     
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    Wild Bill Kelsoe Well-Known Member

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    What unlawful means?
     
  12. LiveUninhibited

    LiveUninhibited Well-Known Member

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    Falsifying business records. Read more than 5 words much?
     
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  13. Wild Bill Kelsoe

    Wild Bill Kelsoe Well-Known Member

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    What crime was he covering up by falsifying business records? Paying hush money and catch and kill aren't crimes.
     
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    LOL! The primary charge is a misdemeanor that is out of time. You just made Trump's case for him...

    Time to walk back every other post you've made so far...
     
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    LiveUninhibited Well-Known Member

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    DUDE, lol... the 1st degree version is a felony. That is what he is charged with. But to be convicted as first degree, it must be to commit another crime. So BOTH need to be proven for the felony to stick. HOW DO I EXPLAIN THIS TO YOU, lol. I think you guys don't want to understand, just want to talk sh!t politically.
     
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    Wild Bill Kelsoe Well-Known Member

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    It's only "first degree" and a felony if another crime was covered up. What was the other crime?
     
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    Trump combed his hair the wrong way. ;)
     
  18. LiveUninhibited

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    § 17-152 Promoting his campaign by unlawful means.

    :::sarcasm:::, I didn't know I was a genius, but if it's really this hard to explain it to regular people, Bragg's going to need to work on his communication skills.
     
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    The payments took place in 2017. Do you know what that means?
     
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    Ok...what were the unlawful means?...lol.

    Day say hush money and, catch and release. Those aren't illegal. What next on your list?
     
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    Your cited statute says it is a crime to promote a candidacy by illegal means. Executing a non disclosure agreement is not illegal in the least. There is no evident crime behind the mistakes (if there were mistakes) in Trump's business records. It is not easy coming up with good messaging when promoting a sham.
     
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    Wild Bill Kelsoe Well-Known Member

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    It means he was retroactively promoting a candidate...lol
     
  23. LiveUninhibited

    LiveUninhibited Well-Known Member

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    Yes I said that's the most interesting question I came across. But if the plan was always to illegally make those business records (agreeing to pay Cohen back in a fraudulent way) then the intent to commit the crime was established before the election. Though I will give you this: If there's a problem with the case THAT is what it is.
     
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    Himself? He already won.
     
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    LiveUninhibited Well-Known Member

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    Falsifying business records is the crime. We will see what his evidence is. Have only seen the charges and his bad press conference.
     

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