Where's the Ham?

It's always a NDA even if one party breaks the agreement.

 

Who broke it; Stormy?

 

oh sheesh.. nowwhat? BREAKING: EVIDENCE STORMY DANIELS LIED ABOUT TRUMP AFFAIR – 360NewsLasVegas.com

 

The plan for all of this was clearly before the election. They conspired to stop negative information. BUT the actual false records were after the election, yet were planned before the election. So we'll see. I am sure that once the defence fails to get the case thrown out, the timing will be a big argument they use.

 

Writing a check to your attorney for a service they provided is not a fraud payment.

 

Well, ok, how were the books falsified? Were the entries not for legal services rendered?

 

Has there ever been a candidate for any office that didn't work hard to present himself in a good light???

 

The one point that some are overlooking is the claim that Trump instructed Cohan to pay Stormy after the election. The fact that he didn't obey his boss is grounds for getting fired. Maybe that's why Trump wouldn't pardon him.

 

Who are you kidding. This isn't going to make Trump supporters note vote for Trump. They already know he's corrupt and don't care. In fact it would be hard for anyone no matter who they support to not know that at this point. There's going to be a big hullabaloo but my guess is this doesn't really move the needle either way in the long run. The people who like Trump will vote for Trump, the people who don't like him will not. The independents, despite being independent, almost certainly have opinions in either direction already too. There are no real revelations here, no world changing discoveries. It's a man who everyone already knew was corrupt getting charged for being corrupt by a another man who is in love with attention.

Personally, this isn't the avenue that I believe charges should be pursued against Trump, his actions in Georgia are far more incriminating and serious. I don't know much if anything about Bragg but so far I can't say I have any real reason to be impressed. We shall see whether he can make a legitimate case.

 

Na. The goal was to get her to not talk without paying her. But it was more important for her to not talk. And ultimately they needed to pay her to achieve that goal. But full success would have been to avoid paying as well, as always in Trump's mind.

 

Cohen is a low-class lawyer who Trump clearly didn't have respect for. It's hard to respect someone in Cohen's line of work. But, even after he was convicted, Trump let him rot likely because he knew he couldn't tie anything back to him.

 

Cohan paid her out of his OWN bank account.

 

I don't think I'd do a better job than you just reading the indictments on that one. Some of it will be based upon evidence Bragg has and will give the jury, and hopefully we will see too.

 

Reading the indictment, it seems (bit I don't know for certain) the entries weren't "falsified" but were entered incorrectly. The indictments all refer to this check number or that invoice number throughout Trump business records. I don't know the details but it seems if one is making illegal payments he doesn't record it in his official business accounts and records.

 

Yes, why Trump sued her.

 

The criminal justice system has been broken for a very long time.
Trump and the RP should have acted to reform our corrupt institutions before they started using witch hunts and kangaroo courts to bring them down.
But then the RP has always been a party of slow learners. Alas.

 

The falsifying bookkeeping is based on what the checks were made out for.

https://edition.cnn.com/politics/li...t-04-04-23/h_952fe61252e8d3fe42d9ad975ce2102f

Bragg is trying to say no legal services were rendered. A NDA is a legal service.

 

Lock her up!

 

Well, she did not break any crime, but Trump got her back after she counter sued, lost big time, got admonished by the judge and ordered to pay Trump's legal expenses.

 

They'll catch up eventually.

 

Did you not see the ?

 

I doubt it.

 

I reviewed the press release transcript, and perhaps the way it was presented and timing was the issue: "The defendant repeatedly made false statements on New York business records. He also caused others to make false statements. The defendant claimed that he was paying Michael Cohen for legal services performed in 2017, this simply was not true. And it was a false statement that the defendant made month after month in 2017, April, May, June, and so on, through the rest of the year. For nine straight months, the defendant held documents in his hand containing this key lie, that he was paying Michael Cohen for legal services performed in 2017 and he personally signed checks for payments to Michael Cohen for each of these nine months. In total, the grand jury found there were 34 documents with this critical false statement.

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That is why Mr. Trump made false statements about his payments to Mr. Cohen. He could not simply say that the payments were a reimbursement for Mr. Cohen’s payments to Stormy Daniels to do so. To do so, to make that true statement would’ve been to admit a crime. So instead, Mr. Trump said that he was paying Mr. Cohen for fictitious legal services in 2017 to cover up actual crime committed the prior year. And in order to get Michael Cohen his money back, they planned one last false statement. In order to complete the scheme, they planned to mischaracterize the repayments to Mr. Cohen as income to the New York State tax authorities.
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So Trump was pretending that Cohen was providing him legal services in 2017, when really he was paying him back, with a large bonus, for the NDA services for the 2016 election. So he was basically making up non-existent 2017 legal services to secretly pay for NDA services in 2016, to cover it up.

DA Alvin Bragg Press Conference Transcript | Rev

 

Ever heard of a retainer? Just by having Cohan around makes it a payment for legal services.

 

Here's a similar scenario. Your attorney pays an investigator on your behalf to help with your legal issue. You then reimburse your attorney in monthly installments for the legal services he provided you with.

Keep in mind Bragg is hitting Trump with claims that the internal classification of Trump's bookkeeping was a felony because a Trump Org accountant labeled payments to Cohen as legal services on their internal books. He claims each internal payment and record to Cohen is a unique felony that Trump is personally on the hook for and that Trump personally would have known the DA would assume a payment to his attorney wasn't for legal services...even though they were for his time and the cost of a legal contract.