Whether BLM protests are violent or not is NOT the question

He was reaching in a car and the officer did not know what he would have in his hand when he withdrew that hand from the car. It could have been a gun and he would be able to fire before the officer had time to react.

Keep in mind this is a man with a violent history and they tried to subdue him with a taser.

 

There you go again: Oakland. Hah! And you still insist that you don't cherry-pick?

Just a friendly piece of advice: every time you post you lose credibility. And I'm pretty sure it's not easy to recover credibility. Once you lose it all, we can't take you seriously. I'd be careful with that if I were you.

 

Oh... God! We declared independence in 1776. The Boston Tea Party was in 1773.

Quick... look for any second grader so they can confirm this to you.

Hint: we didn't pay taxes to the King of England after we declared independence So it should have been obvious what we were talking about, right?

Hint 2: The reference to "taxation" and "representation" would have given anybody even vaguely familiar with our history with an unequivocal clue as to what I was taking about.

 

How?

Leftists look like a cult too. Lots of claims about “White privilege“ and “institutionalized racism”, yet nobody can define and quantify them. These claims are taken as an absolute truth and questioning them is like committing a sin, making a meaningful discussion impossible. Government is being blamed for racism and inequalities, yet no one can point to a single discriminatory law on the books that is in force today that discriminated against minorities. So, you believe in things that you cannot prove using real science like math, yet you claim there is a major problem and the only way to address the problem is to accept your belief as a truth without questioning it. How is that different from a cult?

Vague accusation. Please clarify what exactly did Trump do to keep people from publicly voicing their grievances peacefully.

Vogue again. Please list things that Trump could have done to prevent the deaths of Floyd and other victims of police brutality.

Please clarify what a POTUS can do about this problem.

Who demonizes peaceful protesters? Nobody is demonizing anyone.
But not a whole lot of people are too blind not to see a 1-1 relationship between BLM protests and violence. Acknowledging this fact is not demonization, it’s a simple statement of fact on which the government should act in order to protect its residents. Also, BLM does not represent all, or even majority, of African descendants in the US, unless they held some form of a nationwide referendum in which only African descendants get to vote and chose organization that represents their views. That means, criticizing BLM and pointing out their violence absolutely does not mean that the criticism applies to each and every member of black race in the US.

“blue lives matter racist” hates to give away his/her right to fire an employee at will. From this perspective, the goals of blacks and those “racists” actually align much better than with “non-racists” who believe everyone is entitled for a lifetime employment regardless of their ability to do the job properly, hires cops, signs contracts that makes it difficult to fire those cops, ignores numerous complaints against these cops and when a murderous cop actually kills someone, then blames that “blue lives matters racist” and gets rewarded by outraged mob with votes and money.

What that side that refuses to “solve the problem” can do about the said problem? They don’t get to negotiate police union contracts. They don’t get to approve them. They don’t get to sign them.
Please quantify and list the things that you believe republicans should do about police brutality?

 

Says who? Where are the stats to back that up? Answer: there are none.

 

"There is only one demand."

Wrong. I cite you as evidence.

"The question is whether or not their demands are justified."

"If they are not justified..."

"But if they are justified..."

"...are their demands justified?"

"If they are justified..."

BLM's demands are all over the place because they have too many different groups with too many different agendas all trying to ride the same movement.

But you are just one person. You should be able to keep your own **** straight...

 

Compare that to the guy in Kenosha. They knew what he was carrying, and they also knew he had killed two people. Cops just... kinda waved at him.

 

The Kenosha guy surrendered and did not resist arrest.

 

LOL. Your study and link. You chose it. I didn’t cherry pick anything. I’m just picking apart your thread, your sig line, and your credibility.

If your sig line was credible you would have read the study you posted. If you had read it you likely wouldn’t have posted it, but that’s not a sure thing at this point. I’m not sure you care much about accuracy in what you post. It’s too bad people like you ruin a civil rights movement that could be successful without saboteurs such as yourself basing your narrative on false premises. So it goes.

If there is so much data and analysis supporting your premise why don’t you post it instead of crying about being called out for presentation of misinformation? What are the odds, if the study you linked is an anomaly, that you stumbled across it in your google search and assumed it supported your premise without reading it? You are one unlucky dude.

Again, I didn’t pick ANY data or analysis. You did. I’m just picking your thread apart. Sorry. Maybe you’ll read your links next time instead of assuming anything that pops up in your google search supports your premise.

I would not take advice from you on any subject with your history of misinformation here on PF. So save your friendly advice and post some data that supports your premise.

 

Did he threaten, resist arrest or fight with the cops?

 

There is and can be no justification for these riots and violence because every single one of them is predicated on lies and misinformation. This isn't about 'justice' its about black thugs not being held accountable for their actions. Every single instance from Ferguson until now has been based on police action that was not only justified but simple the police doing their jobs and arresting suspects for actual crimes...

 

By intervening. By attacking peaceful protesters. By misusing the bully-pulpit. By undermining local authorities... and many more. It's all on the news. You might want to check it out. And I mean real news. Not Fox.

Almost four years in the job, and he still doesn't understand the job of President.

Trump supporters don't just "look" like one. Unfortunately I have been advised not to go into further detail.

Quantify them? You want the number of claims? What does that even mean?

Well... you can keep repeating that till your face turns blue. Because that's the dogma. Or you can read the OP. Your choice.

Attack them with gas and using military. And that was just so he could take a photo-op with an upside-down Bible.

That's just one example. If you want me to write a book about all the things Trump has done, I'll pass. They are listed all over the forum as they happened, They have been amply reported on the press and thoroughly commented on in this forum.

Resign.

A real President (which Trump is not) could have used the bully-pulpit to draw attention to the problem of institutional racism as it relates to the police. And pressure local authorities redress the grievances. But simply not denying reality would have been a huge step forward.

Having never been there myself, I have no idea how I could point you into the direction out of your fantasy world.

My response is in the OP

Have they ever claimed to?

No idea what this has to do with what I wrote. Fact is that there is absolutely no chance the Racist in Chief will solve the problem. Democrats... I can't say for sure. But chances are better.

I didn't say "refuse". I said "will not".

 

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...re-violent-or-not-is-not-the-question.577643/

 

OP doesn’t take into account the most obvious answer. Maybe they break the law more often? Do all those black cops pull over other blacks just because they’re black. No study can prove blacks are pulled over more often due to race. NONE.

Sorry. Your reality isn’t realty. First you need to prove the problem before fixing the problem. Name me any organization or officially sponsored policy that strictly helps white people with scholarships or job opportunities based on race. GO! It’s quite easy to Google black only organizations since that is readily available info. GO!

You’re being paid quite well to post here with the constant partisan attacks.

Here’s the math. About 16 unarmed black men were shot last year by cops. Compared with total black population the odds are about .000004%. Thats NOT a problem. Now go prove YOUR reality that black people need to fear for their lives? GO!!

 

Oh for heaven's sake. It's a figure of speech.

As they relate to these protests all demands boil down to one demand: cops need to stop shooting at black people

Don't be so literal. I could call that demand "their demands" or "their demand". That is purely stylistic.

 

Yep! And the conclusion was

"Our results indicate that police stops and search decisions suffer from persistent racial bias and point to the value of policy interventions to mitigate these disparities."
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Since you say you won't cherry-pick, then I'm glad we agree on that conclusion.

 

He did much worse than that... He killed two people!

 

Did he threaten, resist arrest or fight with the cops?

 

Wrong! It most certainly does take it into account. The studies are clear and unequivocal: they don't!

Your idol has you under standing orders not to believe your own eyes. Unfortunately all I can do is show you the studies. I am not trained in deprogramming.

I have no idea what scholarships have to do with police profiling. And I won't even try guessing. But it does look like desperate attempt to change the subject.

Uhmmm... I know people here who have been banned for saying that. Fortunately for you, the only reporting I do is of illegal activity and of misinformation that can put poster's health in jeopardy (sometimes harassing, when it goes way over the limit). But you might want to keep that in mind in case your lack of arguments gets you in as desperate a state as you are here with a poster who is not as complacent as I am.

Your lack of response to the issues to which this thread refers to, your lack of arguments and your desperation to change the subject are all dully noted.

 

You assume their grievance is "fair". Out of approx. 340 million interactions with the Police only 19 unarmed whites have been shot by the police and 9 blacks. Once folks know those facts the Democrats will lose the House, lose seats in the Senate and never gain the White House.

 

We;ll start with George Floyd.... he was in the police car once, he was resisting arrest when he got out. All the riots have been started when a criminal resisted arrest and the media paints them as angels.

 

Or if he's Black you can let him drive off with his 3 pre-teen children in the car, lead them on a high speed chase, crash and kill everyone in the vehicle. Or you can shoot the idiot perpetrator in the lower back and paralyze him so he can't hurt his children. Play stupid games with the cops and win stupid prizes.

 

George Floyd was as cooperative as is humanly possible.

We went through this already with the videos and transcripts. Floyd's killing was outright murder. There is no way in this planet to justify what this cop did.

Off topic here anyway. Look for the appropriate thread and comment there, if you want.

 

You and I have seen very different demands...

BLM Louisville:
"1. White people, if you don’t have any descendants, will your property to a black or brown family. Preferably one that lives in generational poverty.

2. White people, if you’re inheriting property you intend to sell upon acceptance, give it to a black or brown family. You’re bound to make that money in some other white privileged way.

3. If you are a developer or realty owner of multi-family housing, build a sustainable complex in a black or brown blighted neighborhood and let black and brown people live in it for free.

4. White people, if you can afford to downsize, give up the home you own to a black or brown family. Preferably a family from generational poverty.

5. White people, if any of the people you intend to leave your property to are racists *******s, change the will, and will your property to a black or brown family. Preferably a family from generational poverty.

6. White people, re-budget your monthly so you can donate to black funds for land purchasing.

BLM DC:
https://www.npr.org/local/305/2020/...-d-c-is-calling-for-and-where-the-city-stands

Here, 60 or so BLM groups condensced their demands to one list for Time, and while Time provides their rundown (which is also apparently not the same as the one you're describing), the actual list they cite is 'error 404 unavailable'... so whotf really knows.

https://time.com/4433679/black-lives-matter-platform-demands/

Do you, by chance, have the 'official BLM demands' list? If so, how do you know its the 'real' one? I don't know who is and who isn't a legitimatesource for what BLM's actual demands really are, but I'm confident its neither you nor I

 

Resisting arrest is not being as cooperative as humanly possible.